Interesting hand polishing on a spear point I am making...

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Howdy all! I thought I'd share something that I found while hand finishing this 7" spear point blade that I am making (for my first repeat customer!!!) The blade looks to me much like a fixed blade version of Terzuola's ATCF folder. There are lots of firsts for me on this blade, but that is material for a later post maybe. I took some 180 grit wet/dry paper and using baby oil, I sanded one of the bevels for 15 minutes. Nothign new there, I've hand sanded nearly all of the dozen or so blades that I have made. I didn't get to remove many scratches before heat treat, so there are some good deep ones to contend with! This past week I picked up a 200 grit waterstone from Lee Valley Tools. You can see the stone here. I decided to scrub the other bevel on this waterstone and see how it compares with using 180 grit wet/dry paper. This was actually the second time I've played with using a stone to polish a blade, but this time I was much more focused on exactly what I wanted to accomplish. I should point out too that I have just started the rough hand finishing, and I have a lot more to go yet! Also, the 200 grit stone was dead flat when I got it, and that is important. Keeping flat bevels flat is most easily done on a flat stone face!

So, the results. The wet/dry paper was used with strokes going lengthwise along the blade. The finish is nice, but there are still some pesky deep scratches in the bevel. What is also significant is where the bevel meets the flat upper section. My knife is a bit over 1 1/4" wide, and the main grind lien gioes up 3/4" of the width of the knife. The line where the bevel meets the flat is rough. By this I mean that the rough scratches in the flat extends into the bevel just a bit the length of that line. I am using the 180 grit paper on a micarta block, but those scratches still extend a hair. I checked thing out with a loupe, by the way. Now the bevel that I polished on the waterstone (still not done) looks quite a bit different. It isn't as fine as the 180 grit wet/dry finish. This is no surprise though, as the 180 grit stuff will grush and fall from the paper but is still rubbed on the blade with oil, so you get a real nice polishing action. Wed/try paper kicks butt! However, there are NO deep scratches on the bevel what was polished on the waterstone. O.k., there are a few, but that is because I am not done yet. I spent the same time on the bevels with the paper and the waterstone. The waterstone took out the deep scratches way faster than the paper can hope of doing. I could go with a rougher grit first in the future I guess, but I thin in the future I'll just be using my 200 grit stone! The other significant difference is in that bevel/flat line. The scratches in the flat DO NOT extend into the bevel!

So the bottom line is that I could remove coarse grinding scratches much faster with a waterstone, and it helps keep the grind lines crisp as well. I have to adjust some of the lines at the tip, especailly on the swedge grinds. But it isn't taking long at all, and the process is quite easy. You really have to feel the bevel on the stone, and I found that I had to concentrate more when using the waterstone than when using the paper. I will be going over the whole blade with the 200 grit waterstone now and when I am happy with the lines and the foundation that I have built, I will switch to wet/dry paper to get a beautiful finish.

I just thought I'd share, and I hope eveyone else's projects are comign along well and giving you much satisfaction in the process!
 
Question
Why don't you take your grinds up to a 400 or so
before HT,when they come back remove the blacking from HT
then hand rub.It saves the wrist and keeps your lines clean?
I work with D2 and I have found out that if you get the big scratches out before HT it does not take long to rub out.
30 minutes max for a 4 inch blade to rub one out to a 600 grit
hand rubbed satin finish.
just some thoughts:)
 
Hi Nathan!

I figured this question would come up! I usually take out the deeper scratches before heat treat, but I didn't have time this go around. I take my blades to the House of Tools in Calgary, a 2 hour drive from me, for heat treating. When my fiancee's co-worker invited the two of us to go to Calgary for the day, I spent some time getting 3 blades ready for heat treat, but I didn't have the time to do any real fine grinding.

I also have another "problem", I guess. I can rough grind easily on my Sears 2x42, but I have never been all that good at cleaning things up with finer and finer belts on that machine. I still attempt it on a blade here and there, but I am much better at cleaning up lines and finishing by hand than when I use my machine. A lot of that "problem" is inexperience- I have only made 12 or 15 blades! So it will come. But for now I do a lot of work by hand, and I am glad I now have my large 200 grit waterstone :)
 
I see.I have only finished 2 blades so far,but I have some coming back from HT,all prototypes.I like D2 but one thing I have learned is with that steel it is better to get them out before HT
I see why you did it,if you had a 2x72 grinder it may make your job eaiser.I am not downing your grinder in nomeans,one thing you will be able to do once you learn to get the deep scratches out is you will be a master at rubbing a blade out.Handrubbing is an art
and the more you do the better you will get.;)
 
Hey again!

My grinder is a good one for a hobby guy, but it is difficult to do a lot of things on. The original platen is quite crappy- it has some very deep scratches/gouges in it. I have another that I got from Sears, and I think I'll be switching platens when I do finish grinding- switch to the new one for 400 grit and up. I don't let my equipment get me down- it would be easy to blame any problems I have on a "crappy" grinder or a bad platen. Instead, I do the best I can with what I have.

I must say though that I do enjoy hand rubbing a blade. I guess that for me I really get in touch with the work. I look at the blade way more, under different lights and up close as well as from all kinds of angles. Working the blade on my couarse stone has been one of the most satisfying knife making experiences for me. I definitely haven't given up on machine finishing- I need to get better at that simply because I want to learn lots about knife making. No point shying away from the "harder" stuff if I want to learn! But I think at the same time I'll be developing my hand finishes, especially using stones. If I can get a clean 400 grit machine finish, that will be great for a "field finish", and I can develop a fantastic hand rubbed finish for "nicer" work.

Thanks for adding your thoughts Nathan! Knife making kicks butt!
 
Sounds like your doing good, keep at it.

One thing, I started with a 2x42" Craftsman, and made quiet a few knives of of it. Eventualy heavily modifiying it to suit my needs. One of the first things I did was weld a 3/16 piece of high carbon steel to the platen(after I straightened it up to be square with the belt). The steel I added was a piece of leaf spring that I hardened after welding to the platen and gave a straw color temper with the torch. If I had it to do over I'd go with the proceram glass, much harder and perfectly flat. Even then I had trouble going over 200 grit with a belt, machine just runs to fast, great for hogging metal off though. Anouther thing I did was to cut away part of the top gaurd to be able to conture handles on the top wheel, got rid of the tool rest, and after trying to grind the end of my thumb of between the lower gaurd and wheel cut away most of the lower gaurd. Then the motor burnt up and I replaced it with a new one, got a Coote befor I got around to trying to build a new base and moveing the motor farther back to acomidate a 2x72. One day I may take the whole thing and redisghn it into a new grinder, but I am very happy with my Coote so far. I still use it from time to time.

Heres a pic of my old grinder. From the cost of it to putting a motor, I wish I'd gone with a Coote from the start, but thats part of learning:o hind sight always 20/20.

Good luck and hope this gives you a few ideas,

Will
 

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CR#$! piled up every where with belts hangin off of every thing! my compliments!:D :D :D
 
Acutaly that was one of the clean days, old photo, now I have two whole benches, with even more crap piled up, and mycarta, bone, horn and metal dust coating everything.:D

Crayola, if you want I can get some close ups so you have a better idea of what I did to my grinder. I still think that mounting everything on a wood or metal base and moveing the motor back would acomidate a 2x72 belt.
 
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