Interesting NYC data

tom19176

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I have quoted before that the NYPD has a policy of "stopping and frisking" persons who they believe are acting suspious....well here is a story from 1010wins radio that tells the story:

NEW YORK (AP) -- City police stopped, questioned and frisked more than half a million people last year -- a significant increase in a practice that has drawn criticism from civil rights advocates who say the tactic singles out young minority men.


Carol D'Auria Reports

The new data was in a report issued Thursday by the Center for Constitutional Rights, which sued the NYPD last year over the so-called stop-and-frisk policy.

In April, attorneys for the civil rights group served the department with legal requests seeking data for the last decade. The report was based on that raw data, some of which has already been released by the New York Police Department.

In 2008, a projected 543,982 people were stopped, based on figures available for half the year, compared with fewer than 400,000 in 2005, according to an analysis of data from the past three years.

The center also says 80 percent of the people stopped are black and Hispanic, and they are more likely to have physical force used against them during a stop.

New York Police Department Deputy Commissioner for Public Information Paul Browne said the number of minorities who were singled out under the policy is consistent with overall descriptions by race provided by victims and surviving witnesses of crime.

Browne also said the assertions in the report are a restatement of unfounded accusations in the center's lawsuit. Browne noted that RAND Corporation, an independent research agency hired to analyze the same data, found no racial profiling in its examination, and ``warned against the kind of simplistic comparisons made by the plaintiff.''

``It should not be surprising that in a city of over 8 million, where police make approximately 400,000 arrests annually based on probable cause, they would also make approximately 500,000 stops based on the lesser standard of reasonable suspicion,'' Browne said.

In other findings, the center said that of the cumulative number of stops made since 2005, only 2.6 percent resulted in the discovery of a weapon.

``At that low a rate of return, you have to question whether this is a legitimately good crime-fighting strategy,'' said Darius Charney, an attorney working on the lawsuit.

Browne said it's not surprising or unusual that there are more stops than arrests. If police receive a report of a robbery at a bodega, and the suspect is a man in his 20s in dark clothing, police may stop several people who fit the general description. But only one, or possibly none, is actually arrested, he said.

``It is part and parcel with police work, in a city where police have driven crime down to historic lows,'' Browne said.

David Ourlicht, a mixed-race 21-year-old college student, is one of four named plaintiffs in the lawsuit against the city. He said he was stopped by police, thrown up against a wall and frisked three times in four months last year because police told him he looked suspicious.

``I'm not a criminal, I shouldn't be treated like one,'' the St. John's University student said.
 
It's interesting, though I have been hearing about this in NYC for many years (my mom's side are all from Brooklyn).
The cause was noble given how violent New York used to be. But the thing is they've been pushing Terry v. Ohio to it's limits, and unlike most other jurisdictions, it just seems like NYPD gets away with it. Could just been the culture of the Criminal Justice system (Courts and PD) that evolved over time (circling the wagons and whatnot).
I would add one last thing: In these East Coast states, I think there is some truth to CWB (Carrying While Black) given the rather disturbing racial distribution in cases I read.
 
I strongly believe that the stop and frisk policy in use now, violates the fourth amendment. There is an attitude in effect by many NYPD officers that they can randomly stop any person and search them. In my days as a NYC LEO you could not get away with an even questionable search. The courts were very defendant friendly, but things have changed a bit now, and it seems the courts allow things that were not admissable before. I am also interested in the numbers quoted in the article when you consider this: NYC PD has about 38,000 officers, there are about 8,000 of those who hold rank, the rest have to make one arrest a month ( unoffically of course), so if you times 30,000 by 12 you get 360,000 arrest and the NYPD quoted 400,000 arrest last year.....any one raising their eyebrows yet????
 
im raising my eyebrows, trying to figure out what you telling us... the only thing i can see is that NYPD is barely making their quota. 1 arrest, per officer, a month is nothing. NYPD should be quoting at least double or even triple that amount of arrests. can you explain what you are getting at?
 
Is it a true 'frisk' or is it a simple 'patdown' that the officer performs when he interacts with a citizen?

I gather that when one spits on the sidewalk, jaywalks or drops a cigarette butt it is an act which can be cited by an officer. Before the officer stands next to the offender to write out the citation he performs a 'patdown' for his own safety.
 
taspankya, having been involved with NYC law enforcement, think of this 8,000,000 resdients and 400,000 ANNUAL arrests, and 500,000 stops, and many many more stops where no 250 was filled out. Do you think 15 to 18% of NYC residents are criminals and on a annual basis? If you do, then I have nothing else to tell you......
 
Fraser, a frisk is a patdown. A search starts when you enter a pocket, inside a coat. etc. A frisk is for weapons only, and only on the outside of the clothing.....most of these "frisks" are done by stopping a group that looks suspious and they are stopped and searched for weapons almost on a whim....
 
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New York City, which I visit somewhat often, has become similar to the "fortified" cities of the past.

There is a huge police presence - not only the NYPD, but other police as well.
For one example, the TBTA Police. (TriBorough Bridge and Tunnel Authority).
Police in cars marked and unmarked are all over. On foot as well.

Though it started during the Giuliani administration, it really kicked into high gear after 9-11.

NYC is very militarized, the most of any American city I've seen. By far.
 
Though it started during the Giuliani administration, it really kicked into high gear after 9-11.

NYC is very militarized, the most of any American city I've seen. By far.

I lived in Yorkville, worked down by City Hall, and later a block north of a police station, so I always saw a lot of police around, this going well before the Giuliani administration.
 
I lived in Yorkville, worked down by City Hall, and later a block north of a police station, so I always saw a lot of police around, this going well before the Giuliani administration.

True, City Hall always had a pretty big police presence around it going back even to the 70's, and near police stations of course always.

But NYC, particularly Manhattan, seems - to me at least - very militarized; loaded up with police of all kinds.

I sort of understand that it "had" to be that way after 9-11...
 
taspankya, having been involved with NYC law enforcement, think of this 8,000,000 resdients and 400,000 ANNUAL arrests, and 500,000 stops, and many many more stops where no 250 was filled out. Do you think 15 to 18% of NYC residents are criminals and on a annual basis? If you do, then I have nothing else to tell you......

lol i never said that all the people that were arrested were criminals. i just said that on average a police officer in NYC has to be making more than 1 arrest a month.

you have nothing else to tell me? what is that? why are you taking offense to my statement? can you honestly tell me that an average LEO in NYC can go for an entire year making less than or equal to 12 arrests?
 
tom - thanks for the clarification. I learned something new today. That's always good.
 
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