Interesting Reading on the Benchmade Forum......

Please keep in mind that the BM42 was originally not scheduled to begin shipping until this fall.

However, while I would not think of telling Benchmade how to run their business, I do think that maybe this approach is flawed. A lot of companies seem to be missing the internet paradigm shift.



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Hey, Turber; if BM finally realizes the importance of the internet, do you think Les will reinstate me (on the pitiful remains of) the BM forum??

Still banned from BM, Walt

(For those of you who missed it, BM a few years back switched business tactics. They began to emphasize 'storefront' dealers, to whom they would ship new products. They would only release new products to two internet dealers, NorthWest Cutlery, and IIRC, Randall. The problem was that the new products, notably the AFCK in M2 steel, languished both on BM's warehouse shelves, and the storefront dealers' shelves, as they weren't sophisticated to realize the importance of the new products and promote them. The internet customers were in a frenzy, but couldn't locate the knives. Except at the two internet dealers. At list price. This was one of the most egregious cases of a company bungling the introduction of a new knife.)
 
There is a lot more to this story and Les and I have traded many emails on the subject. I have a plan that will work for all concerned and has already worked, not only in this industry but others as well.

Only time will tell who will actually listen to me, the rouge of the net knife business. Those that have listened don't seem to have these problems
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In all fairness I was asked to present a proposal and have not done so. Too damn busy for proposals at the moment. Just listen and implement. Simple...Legal...and it WORKS!

Night....

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Add one more rogue, Mike. I went and made a post to that thread. I shouldn't have but I couldn't help myself.

It may be hopeless. Perhaps we should just raise some money and buy Benchmade. Actually, I'm not kidding about that. They do make great knives. They just need new management and a modernized business model. Ah well. Remind me to stay off the Benchmade forum. It sure can't help me to go there. Take care.

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Fred,

In response to the question you asked "over there", yes, with micarta. (And 1 or 2 other yesses from the fellas)

David
 
Fred,

Benchmade has a wonderful business model right now. My communications with Les are confidential and I will not divulge the content or even elude to what we have conversed about. What I can say is that Les has spent a huge amount of his own money and resources to get Benchmade to where it is today. I truly admire him for that and he and I both went through a very similar experience at the same time. He ended up closing Pacific Cutlery and moving to Oregon to start Benchmade. What he has accomplished is nothing short of exemplary.

A few really minor and quick changes to their policy on distribution will make a huge impact on their future. The numbers don't lie folks. 11% of all knives over $50 are sold on the Internet as of last December. That was only 2% 3 years ago and it is expected to be 28% by the end of next year and possibly as high as 50% in 5 years.

A few proactive steps in the right direction will mean a huge difference in his business. He knows it, I know it, the problem is knowing how to implement it and more importantly when.

One thing is for certain. Not one knife manufacturer, not one, has taken the appropriate steps to insure their future with Internet dealers. There are a few who are listening and don't have problems with Internet dealers at all. There are a few others who in no way differentiate an Interment dealer from any other dealer and they will have a few bumps in the road as the market grows but not nearly as much as those companies who have specifically targeted the Internet knife dealers as corporate enemy #1.

I have a 20 or so page plan that any manufacturer, knife maker or not, can implement and see results over night. But who am I, right?

Well let's just say that I have seen this very subject in another industry and I watched intently as the events unfolded. There are ways to make dealers your friend and there are ways to get them to do what you want them to do. Amazingly not one company in our industry is aware of what is going on in other industries. If they are it sure as hell is not evidenced by their actions.

It would be a win-win situation for all involved to work on this together. Only 2 companies to date have taken an interest in my ideas. Both do not have the problems experienced by (Insert name here).

I could write a book on this subject but right now I will just entertain doing seminars at each business that wishes to look into what I have to offer. The key is that you can not punish dealers for not doing what you want them to do, but you can reward those that do what you want them to do.

If you punish a dealer because his prices are too low then what you will get is a dealer who will keep his prices low just to piss you off. He may even go lower. This may not seem a wise way to handle a situation but keep in mind you are not dealing with a "normal" dealer. The Internet is a breeding ground for overnight start ups and you will get all kinds of dealers and many are going to be VERY unpredictable. Someone paying $49.95 for "Internet Tool Box" will have delusions of making killer buck and when they exhaust there resources they will dump there inventory. Others will operate out of their home with no overhead and be happy making $2,000 a month in profit. Others even still will invest in DB driven web sites and will play with dynamic pricing schemes to determine a products market price and stick with what makes it move. If one product moves at a 12% margin and another moves fine at a 50% margin then that will be the price. Deal with it or develop a better strategy that takes the Internet dealers unique situation into account
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Keep in mind that several Internet dealers have been on the net longer than any knife manufacturer has. So they know the ropes and the manufacturers are trying to learn them only now. The dealers actually have the advantage here and the manufacturers feel vulnerable. How they proceed is up to them but one thing is for certain; They will be scrutinized and the Internet, and sites like this in particular, provide the perfect pulpit from which analyze or be analyzed. And if you not careful, if will feel more like being "anal"yzed.

Stay Tuned as it is about to get very interesting.......

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I'm looking at 10 knives right now that I have purchased, exactly ONE of these was purchased at a store. The others were purchased online. So, statistically, you can say that I buy 90% of my knives online.

I don't think I'm the exception. However, I don't think I'm the rule either. 50% of knife sales over the internet in 5 years? I say that's a safe bet.

Mike and Fred, you wanna make a bali but need commitments for more than 485 units? I'll be commitment #1 right here and now. Tell me when you have enough.

Thanx for listenin'.

 
You mean you can buy knives in stores??? DAMN!! I have been missing out. Every knife I own I bought through the internet. Starting with a huge bunch of ones in blue boxes that came from a certain person who wanted to get rid of them wholesale to the public!!

Mike, just one thing. About people not wanting to er, ah, get close to you (in a business sense). With Spark in a pink tutu, and you the 'rouge' of the knife business (chortle), what do you expect??
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PS Would Sparky like a new tutu for Mothers' Day; it seems about time. WW
 
Interesting reading.

I went through and counted all the knives I have purchased since becoming a knife knut. (about 3 years now). And the total came to 57. Exactly 2 were purchased at a store, all the rest were via the internet.

Hmm.

Walter
 
I just sent a email to BM customer service letting them know that I have registered several BM knives for warranty purposes and that they could look that information up in there files. All of these knives were purchased from internet dealers. I would suggest that other internet customers do the same and maybe we will be noticed.
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BTW, Walt, this is the first time that I have been to their forum since they kicked you off.
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