Internat'l Modern Arnis Federation- opinions???

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I'm trying to get set up to go to a three-day seminar in Philly given by a Mr. Michael Bates with the IMAF (Remy Presas)...I like the stickwork as done by Bram Frank and some of the books I've seen on Remy Presas seem to follow the same kinda flow....
So, opinions would be very appreciated- this aint cheap and I'm trying to get that weekend off from the hospital, so I want to know as much as possible before I head on down to Philly!
Thanks!!
 
One more time here...
Okay, I'm forced to call out that one name that always has the answers....

KELVIN?!?!?! WHERE ARE YOU??? A little help??

:D
 
Originally posted by Kelt
I'm trying to get set up to go to a three-day seminar in Philly given by a Mr. Michael Bates with the IMAF (Remy Presas)...I like the stickwork as done by Bram Frank and some of the books I've seen on Remy Presas seem to follow the same kinda flow....
So, opinions would be very appreciated- this aint cheap and I'm trying to get that weekend off from the hospital, so I want to know as much as possible before I head on down to Philly!
Thanks!!

This essentially depends on your goals and on the instructor. If you like what you have seen with Bram and in the Remy books, you will enjoy the seminar IF the instructor is still following the older Modern Arnis material. However, IF the instructor is following the newer Modern Arnis material you may be a little disappointed. Over the last year or two before Remy passed away he was making modifications and additions to his Modern Arnis system. The emphasis shifted from combat to more of an art which focuses on drills rather than fighting. The last Modern Arnis camp I attended (just before Remy passed away) emphasised the flow drill refered to as "Tapi-Tapi". This is a neat drill but, in my opinion, doesn't reflect reality. Almost everything the Modern Arnis instructors do now is based on "Tapi-Tapi". This just my personal opinion. Although, I did quit Modern Arnis because they didn't want to do anything else except "Tap-Tapi". You can clearly see what I mean by checking out remy's older videos and compare them to the newer videos.

Hope this helps,
Steve
 
Thanks!
I've sent out my tuition money, working on finding the best hotel nearby.
Bram's been very helpful for me- he's always willing to give you a heads-up and he's a very valuable voice of experience.
He just e-mailed me a pre-publication text of his upcoming book- I won't print anything that's actually in it, even indirectly, but I will say that it's excellent! It reminded me a bit of Animal MacYoung, but man, is it technical (and I mean in a good way)....he hits on some excellent drills from Remy Presas, and gives us a lot of Remy's own words and tutelage (is that the right way to spell tutelage? Not so sure after having a Foster's!!). After reading just a bit, you can really see how much Bram knows and loves this subject! I would love to do some serious training with him someday (and I don't just mean when he tweaks you with his Gunting- enough of us have suffered that learning experience already by him!!). I'm thinking about writing up a little review after the seminar; I've been debating it, since I consider myself a beginner (and always will).
 
Hey Kelt,

Well I've never attended any of the 3-day IMAF(or any other FMA)seminars. I've only done the regular 1 day seminars. Those were very informative. The only problem I've had at the seminars is that you get so much info that it's hard to remember it all. If that's your only chance at getting some Arnis training, then you should check it out. You can always find out if you can attend only 1 day if going 3 days will be too expensive.

Kelvin
 
Thanks for bringing this back up!
I was aware of some of the controversy about the successor(s) of Professor Presas. My only real exposure to Arnis was from Tom Bolden and seeing some of Bram Frank's stuff, so I was going into this with an open objective mind. I really believe that, regardless of how one feels about Jeff Delaney, that I was treated with the utmost professionalism and respect. GM Delaney's knowledge was, to me, very impressive.
Prof. Michael Bates puts these together; I had contacted him via e-mail. He was a gentleman to talk with, and really did make sure that everybody involved had a great time! He helped me immensely with my arrangements to come down for the camp, above and beyond what was required.
When I arrived Lisa McManus took me by the hand (what a thrill!! I didn't realize that she was one of the instructors at the time) and introduced me around to everybod
Chris Sayoc and some of his 'boys' came down for a while; I was shocked to see what he can do with ordinary chopsticks (Hint: the guy across the room from him needed a mask!)..
Prof. Max Pallen was there for two days- man, is this guy impressive...the stick really is just an extension of his natural flow...how many times we heard him yell to his partner "Harder, Hit HARDER!" He was taking it for real, hard and fast, and made the counters look effortless!
Lisa McManus is as impressive and knowledgeable as she is beautiful. She's petite (although definitely has muscle) and can really make a guy "fall" for her really fast... ;)
I think I will definitely pick up some of her videos- she's currently training some military outfit, I believe somewhere near her school which I think is in MA.
GM Jeff would come around to everybody, working with them until they understood what they were doing. NONE of the hard-core, kick-ass long-timers had any ego problems, they were always willing to jump right in and help me out. He could transition from stand-up locks to grappling- some of his basic takedowns seemed to contain some hints of Combat Tai Chi...pushes and ward-offs and such (these are applied excellently when you're as tall and long-limbed as Delaney). It was amazing to see how quickly and easily, in real-time, he would move from one lock to another, with and without a stick. Eventually, his partner would be tied up with no way out!
I had a great time, will do it again ASAP. This camp was more than worth the money (although I saved a bit by staying at a cheesey Motel 6). I actually left there feeling different, I can't explain how...I felt I really accomplished something.
Professor Michael Bates definitely knows how to make you feel important....an example: I had a problem with my motel, and it would have definitely affected my entire time at the camp. Prof. Bates solved it within minutes for me; he really had no obligation to do so- this to me seems to be the type of kind spirit Remy Presas's students are known for.
I was able to test; I seemed to pick stuff up pretty quick...some martial arts background, although mostly fencing and boxing. Still, I tested and passed (for a lower-ranked belt, as it should be).
Everybody made me feel welcome, and I really did learn quite a bit. I'm no arnistador, but I definitely got a little taste of the art.
 
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