Interrupted quench vs "normal" quench

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When I quench in ATF, I usually stick the blade in and give it plenty of spine-to-edge back and forth (not side to side if that makes sense) motion to circulate the quenchant, but I leave the blade completely submerged the whole time. Can someone discuss the merits, if any, of an interrupted quench and what happens in that type of quenching, as well as the "rules" of interrupted quenching (is it better for some steels than others, is it more for brine quench only, etc)? I'm still after the goal of getting more activity out of my 1095 clay coated blades in terms of the look of the hamon!
 
I am not sure what the process’ and purposes are for other smith interrupted techniques, but here is what the concept is from a metallurgical point of view and why I would do it.
Austenite is FCC (face centered cubic) which is a most efficient atomic stacking arrangement. All the other transformation products that occur on cooling are BCC (body centered cubic)or body centered in nature like the BCT(body centered tetragonal) of martenensite, which takes much more space for the same amount of atoms. So while we do get simple thermal contraction as metal is cooled it is fairly small compared to the massive expansion you get when you have a BCC transformation. This all seems academic, but some folks may not realize this. I recently read an article that stated that steel contracts when martensite forms, this is so completely opposite of the facts that I was shocked the editors let it get by them, it is quite basic and fundamental that the martensite transformation is one of the most expansive.

So when you cool a blade and one part cools quicker than the other it will reach a body centered (hopefully martensite) transformation sooner. If this happens you could have expansion on one part of the blade while another is still contracting, it is obvious what the dangers of this may be, and since the part that has not yet transformed is still very plastic austenite, there is plenty of room for permanent shape change. If you interrupt the quench just before this transformation and allow the entire blade to equalize in temperature before continuing, it becomes very obvious how advantageous it can be to have the entire blade hardening evenly at the same time.

It is best done as near the transformation temperature as possible without beginning it. In oil I like to pull the blade out at the point where there is just a few wisps of vapor coming off the steel and the oil is able to coat the blade without burning off or flashing. Many oils have a vapor point that approximates 400F. so that can be helpful.

I have hade better luck with clay in oil by having a soft wooden block to tap the spine of the blade on and knock the clay off before allowing it to cool. When you are playing with clay you are dealing with a more complicated process, since the pearlite transformation will also be BCC and will have to be dealt with as you are intentionally making pearlite as well. The idea here is the same but a little trickier since you need to balance the martensite formation with the pearlite formation. Have you ever heard about folks complaining of a reverse curve when the quenched a clayed blade in oil? The pearlite formation got away from them and the tip dropped. I believe this phenomenon is very much more complicated but I need to have data to back my theories before I am comfortable sharing them. Anyhow the idea behind interrupting the quench in water or brine is to slow things down enough to even out the transformations before martensite runs away with the process and you hear that awful “ping”.
 
:eek: Is anyone else's head spinning? :D

Kevin if we were Greek you'd be a God. Thanks, I actually think I soaked up a little valuable knowledge from that - but it took some rereading and thinking and imagining. That's good stuff and I saved it off to my HT file for future ref.
 
Greek you'd be a God

I thought this said "If you were Geek you'd be God" and my first thought was that Kevin MUST, therefore, actually be God! :p This is great info but I had to save it and set it aside so I can wait and wrap my brain around it when it's ready. :confused: Long week, you know...
 
Okay, read it through and I think I get it, somewhat. 2-3 more times and I should actually see a lightbulb turn on in my head! :D
 
when I use water to quench, I interrupt for two reasons
1 to harden the edge and to try and keep the center of the heavier spine softer
2 to keep from getting the pingggg.. :( this cause is mentioned in many a thread :)

and I'm told if you're good ;) and the timing is right the residual heat from
the spine if interrupted just at the right time will in turn temper the edge :D
knowing the edge will cool faster than back, timing is key..

Kevin do you have any comments on this?
 
Sorry, most metalheads don't intentionally use big words to intimidate, it is just so much more efficient to use one metallurgical than an entire paragraph to explain it. Too many huge words does not make one a "God", just a poor communicator in this case. (our world has more than its share of little tin gods)

BCC.jpg

Body centered cubic atomic stacking.

FCC.jpg

Face centered cubic atomic stacking.

It may look like the BCC is tighter but it is not, FCC is actually tighter and more efficient stacking for the iron atoms. So when you heat steel to critical there will be the normal thermal expansion all the way up until you reach "critical" then the shift from BCC to FCC will occur, and there will be a drastic contraction until the transformation is complete and then gradual expansion again. But more importantly when you cool there will be a some contraction, but upon any transformation from FCC to a less efficient arrangement there will be a drastic expansion. Martensite is the iron wanting to be in a BCC configuration but with trapped carbon atoms not allowing that movement, so it is distorted into an unnatural BCT (body centered tetragonal) configuration, and the expansion is huge as a result. This us why Japanese swords are curved after quenched and only allowed to form martensite on one side. It is expansion that causes the majority of distortion, but contracting can add to the problem as well. If steel contracted when martensite formed then the clay would have to be on the edge with the spine exposed, or all katanas would look like scythes.

Interrupting the quench allows the steel to equalize in temperature so that the transformation occurs evenly. Of course there are also other benefits, such as gains in impact strength due to auto-tempering effects, but there can also be complications such as austenite stabilization if one takes things too far.
 
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