Inverted heat treat, or it might just do in a pinch.

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Fred.Rowe

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The picture at the top shows the completed cleaver set; it will be one of the prizes in our local VFD spring festival. Good people.
Any knife maker that has been at the craft for twenty years, should have their heat treating schedule down, for the most part.
I'm so used to looking in the metallurgical heat treat charts to set the electric kiln. These were supposed to be 1095 from a large saw blade that had been cut before. Tell you what; I had both of these cleavers done and was putting the finished edge on them, when I discovered the impossible, they were as soft as butter. The handles were done with three Corby bolt along with JB Weld. The Micarta is a butterscotch color cut from a large sheet of Westinghouse Micarta. DREAD DREAD DREAD! But:
An idea came to mind: why not hold the cleaver by the spine, and hold the handle under the Park's 50 high speed quench oil along with as much spine as I could, leaving the edge above the oil. My son lit the O/A torch and started heating the edge. I had not done this in many years, but when the blade looked about right, I let it slide into the oil, spine first, I grabbed the second cleaver and did the same thing. I pulled them from the oil and ran the edges over a brass octagon rod. They were very hard, the edges cracking like the sound of hard ice.
Now for step two, the temper. I contemplated using a torch but did not want to push my luck. I ended up submerging the handles in a large pot of water and placing them in a 400 degree oven for a couple of hours. It only took about an hour of hand sanding per blade to finish them. The damage done to the edges can be seen in the lower photos.

Regards, Fred
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Nice cleavers with nice story ............. like it ! :) Well , just as I think I have seen all and learned, someone reassure me in that :D
 
Nice looking cleavers, the edge damage doesn’t look like anything that a quick sharpening on your belt grinder won’t take care of.
 
Hah, that's quite a save! I've guessing you also had epoxy under the scales in addition the corbys right? If so, do you think the epoxy with set up/cure normally again after having been softened by the boiling water? I'm just asking because that's the way I've removed epoxied scales in the past. Also, what do you think went wrong during the first heat treatment, was the steel not actually ~1095 as you originally thought so the schedule you used was inadequate, or did something mess up during the heat treating process after you had properly set up the program in the kiln? Thanks for sharing.


~Paul
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You were blowing the torch just above highly flammable oil? And then you wanted to tell everyone about it?
Consider it a things not to do post, say for anyone considering doing something so foolish. Print it off, you may find it useful, or pass it along to a friend.
Regards Fred
 
Hah, that's quite a save! I've guessing you also had epoxy under the scales in addition the corbys right? If so, do you think the epoxy with set up/cure normally again after having been softened by the boiling water? I'm just asking because that's the way I've removed epoxied scales in the past. Also, what do you think went wrong during the first heat treatment, was the steel not actually ~1095 as you originally thought so the schedule you used was inadequate, or did something mess up during the heat treating process after you had properly set up the program in the kiln? Thanks for sharing.
It was put together with JB Weld, the label said boiling wouldn't get to the epoxy joint. There was nothing apparent.
I don't know what happened the first time threw on the quenching. An Even Heat oven was used and the blades had been cycled, grain reduction, stress relief, Park's 50 oil. Whatever the issue, it occurred to both blades at the same time. Shop God's maybe. I don't think it was 1095.

Regards, Fred
 
i have knocked handles off and reused them before when having to refinish a blade i would do the same in this case
If I would have had the time, that not doubt would have been the first choice, they had been promised for a scheduled event. And again, I find I make different choices at 75 than I did at 45.

Regards, Fred
 
There is a well known maker and heat treat service guy here that had a thread telling people they could heat treat a blade by laying it on their kitchen stove and hitting it with a plumbers torch.

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Took awhile but i found the thread.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/stupid-simple-heat-treat.424155/


That post is from almost 12 1/2 years ago and was also made only 3 months after he joined the form, so I'm not quite making the connection. :confused: :)


~Paul
My Youtube Channel
... (Just some older videos of some knives I've made in the past)
 
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