Investing in Knives ? Opinions

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What production knives being manufactured right now, do you think will have strong value in the future...after they are discontinued.

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I agree with Tom on the Schatt & Morgan series and also think the Case / Bose knives have a good future. Look for some suprise collaborations in the next year that might also hold their own.

Others are the BM Pardue auto with the rubber inserts. MT D/A Socom (I think they have already been discontinued.) are others I would consider.



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I would suggest a Busse. Busse knives are not pretty, they're not cheap, and they're not trendy. They are, however, some premium quality edged tools. Few people actually collect these knives - they're meant to be used, and used they are - which will make mint/unused models extremely rare in the years to come. The blades have an extremely loyal following and a reputation as perhaps the best hard-using knives on the planet. Demand already outpaces supply and they're getting harder and harder to acquire. It sounds similar to the humble beginnings of a company called Randall Knives...

I've already seen some first-run Steel Hearts sell for north of $800, and the company hasn't even hit puberty yet. If you can get a piece that Jerry Busse has worked on, perhaps an early model or a Variant, I'm sure its value as a collectible will only increase. Maybe try getting one of the straight handled Steel Heart II's or Battle Mistresses, as these models are now out of production.

Actually, uh, maybe you shouldn't get a Busse. At least not until after I get my orders filled...
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Define strong value -

If you mean a $100 knife becoming a $500 knife outside of a small group of collectors who basically move knives among themselves (meaning the investment washes because you use the profit to buy the other guy's now inflated knives), I doubt you'll see any significant "investment performance" out of any production knives on brand name alone. Maybe you'll get lucky and someone famous will use a particular, relatively limited production knife to kill themselves (or their ex-wife and her boyfriend...), creating a freakish fascination demand, but you can't predict (or desire) such things.

If you mean a $50 knife turning into a $65 knife, which is a better than 25% return - but you'd need to buy by the case to clear money worth accounting for - I'd go with the old favorites, like Case, because the market is so big that the knives will always be liquid. As I state below, you'll need all those buyers to make any substantial profit!

I think that one of the key factors in the "investment quality" of collectibles has to be exclusivity. How can you look for exclusivity when thousands of the same item are cranked out annually, especially when one-of-a-kind knives are readily available?

True, the "price of admission" is lower in collecting production knives, but the penalty for the low cost of entry is going to be low returns. Think about the time, effort, and expense of selling the 1,000 production knives to make a modest $15,000 gross profit. Over a year, that's 20 knives a week - for a private collector, it's just not worth it!

I collect Spydercos because I like them. Even for NIB, low-numbered, hard to get Spyders, I've never been able to make a profit that would buy me lunch.

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[This message has been edited by Brian_Turner (edited 06-27-2000).]
 
I agree with Brian. Even with handmade knives the investment potential is limited. Even if someone out there wants your knife, you've got to find them and close the deal. I buy investment grade knives to justify spending so much money on them, and I hope someday at least a few of them will appreciate significantly enough to make it worthwhile. In the meantime, I'm just enjoying my knives.
 
Seeing the price people are getting for those 50 year old Italians that is quite a question. To me a lot of it will depend on nostalgia, some on craftsmanship, and much on future laws regarding production knives.

Kind of like trying to forecast the stock market 10 years from now.
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One of the few recent examples I can think of is the current value of early production runs of the Gerber Mark II dagger. These have been going for up to a thousand dollars in select cases. A major factor seems to be the association with the Vietnam war. Production was high enough to establish a regular market for the products, but much lower than a standard military item. It reminds me of the high value for the WWII First Special Forces daggers or some OSS gear.

I'm not buying any current production knives for collector value. If someone like the Delta Force pulls off some dramatic rescue using a knife and someone writes a book that becomes a blockbuster movie, then that knife will become "valuable".
 
Can the average knife nut make money buying and holding knives? We've discussed it before. Not very likely.
Can a dealer buy and hold knives and do well?
Sure can.
Keep in mind that the person asking the question is a dealer.
 
If I new the answer to that question I would be filthy rich and be wondering what stocks are a good investment now for the future.Overall I think if one were to invest in knives they may be better off investing in customs. Investing in Production knives is more risky and probably will offer a smaller return in most cases.Just my Opinion,but I'm no knife professional or investment advisor so don't listen to me
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[This message has been edited by TOMBSTONE (edited 06-30-2000).]
 
Let me give you some scenarios here as to what I am talking about.

1. I buy 100 full sets of all Buck Master Series, back when they first come out. I could sell them now for at least 3X what I would have paid for them.

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2. Buck comes out with the BG-42 Striders, makes 500, then switches to ATS-34. Let's say, I buy as many of the 500 as I can get my hands on, then wait a year. Now you can only get them from me.

See where I'm going ? I'm asking about stuff like this. I'm already in a pretty good position to see this stuff coming, but just wanted some extra input and ideas.

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For what little my opinion is worth . . . while I've had several of the knives in my collection significantly increase in value since I bought them, it's been by fluke rather than forethought. I'd say collect what pleases you, and hope for the best. If I were buying for potential investment, I'd try for "interesting" or "unusual" quality knives. A knife is only worth what some other fool will pay for it, and if you've got one of the few of a type around, someone at sometime will want it.
 
Knives are what you make of them. You can become a dealer and invest in them, or remain a collector and enjoy them. Its all up to you.

Do you want to buy knives because they provide an arbitrage opportunity, or simply because you like them? If you buy them because you like them, as I do, then you can consider them a good entertainment value, but certainly not an investment (irrespective of whether the values go up or down).

If you really want to invest in knives then go and buy some POS knives like the Frost stuff on the HSN and sell them to the poor unsuspecting crowd at your local flea market. If you can pull off a 50% gross margin within the month then you are really investing.

 
A little over a year ago, I was buying Benchmade Model 45 Bali-Songs for about $95. Today, now discontinued, they routinely sell for about $225. A numbered pre-production or first-production Benchmade 42, available right now, might have similar potential.



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One of the afore-mentioned items that surprised me by actually increasing in value was a Pacific Cutlery (Benchmade) ballisong that I bought 5 or 6 years ago for about $45.00.
 
Catch them young. Small manufacturers that turn big. Al Mar, Cold Steel, Blackjack, EK in their thrusting days when producing knives that made their reputation. Everything after is following. Sometimes they produce something by mistake, ie: it cost too much to produce, so they have to stop the run.

There is probably excess capacity in the factory field and the collectors market will only get interesting when some manufacturers fold. You are on a lost cause if the knife runs and runs, but if its a model or manufacturer with a reputation that goes out of production then you might make a small gain.

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