Investing in land + they call me a mountain man

wildmanh

Part time Leather Bender/Sheath maker
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Hi guys, I've been thinking a lot about what I'm doing with my future and have desided to save up so in a few years I can invest in some land down in Sanpete County or some place in Utah county. The other goal is to do leather working and it's coming along slowly but steadily.


So far I've found tons of 10 acre lots in Sanpete in the hills about 5 to 10 miles away from the highway that are going for really cheap. Have been keeping an eye on some of these lots for 9 months or more and they sit but don't sell because they are off the beaten path. There are dirt roads going to the property so it's accessible Spring, Summer and Fall and back in the hills that I grew up in.

Was talking with my friend Andrea this morning and she said I should buy the land now while the market is down and no one wants the land. That sounds like a good idea but I am making enough to get by and can only put a pinch into savings each paycheck. So for now it's not good. She says this to me also "You're a mountain man. You can live there in a tent and build the cabin from the trees you cut down."

In the complex I'm known as an Outdoor Enthusiest and Mountain man. Friends say "If the dam breaks or a natural disaster happens we are hanging out with you". It's nice to be thought of in that way but kind of scary at the same time. Some friends think along the same lines as I do and we are even talking about saving up for a few years and going in together to buy the property and slowly developing it.

Here's an idea we came up with. Buy Property, 10 to 40 acres. The first year we make some camp sites, clear land of rocks and debre while saving up. Eventually put in a well house (with solor power or wind power to run the pump) and root celler. This way when we go camping/vacationing we have can have clean water and a place to store stuff. Then comes a barn/shed and finally a cabin/house. This is a 3 to 10 year process, building things when you have the money. Pretty much get a loan for the property if we need it and when it's payed off we can get a loan for the house or have enough saved up to pay cash for the Cabins and such.

Have been checking out kit homes and cabins and am liking what I see. I've also studied building cabins and houses the old fasioned way. I've also helped people build houses, barns and sheds. Yes, we (friends and I or just I) would follow the laws of the land, building codes and what not. And if we went with a Kit home, sure the supplies might cost more but a group of 3 to 4 can build a 2 bedroom cabin in a 3 to 4 day period.

I plan to plant trees on the property for privecy, winbreaking, fire wood (when the trees are mature enough) and because I love trees. Used to raise horses, goats, sheep, chickens, ducks and geese and would like to have a small farm some day. 10 acres is plenty for a family or two to do this. A small garden eventually. Would keep the campsites of course and keep the property semi primitive in spots.

Imagine eventually living full time out in the county or up in the hills a ways away from people but close enough if you need company. Working from home. In the evening grabbing your gun/hatchet or what not, hitching up your horse and going for a ride. Or stepping off your back porch and doing some target practice from your back yard.

This is what I want, the simple life. Working with my hands, living in the country and working some land, raising a family and a farm. Having contact with the city when I want. Being able to escape from it all for a while and a place where friends can come and do the same. Would love to be able to have solar and wind power the cabin and shop (need a place to work) and run natural gas or oil and wood for heat.

So I'm opening up a saving account and going to deposit all the spare money I can into it so that in a few years I can buy Property and start living my dream. I'm also cutting out expences that I don't need to live on. So if I don't need it to live or work, I won't buy it. At least for now.

Seeing pictures of where HollowDweller and others live has really inspired me to start reaching for my goal. Thanks you!!

Heber
 
Be persistent, and I am sure your dream will come true. One day, I hope I can do the same.
I wish you the very best!
 
Hang in there wildmanh. I spent 8 years looking and saving before I found my country haven. It will be worth it!
 
wildmanh you ever consider a quonset hut? you can buy the shell (no front or back) for around $5,000,or get the other model S I think it is which looks like a reg half-square house for the same.

That's what I'm looking at doing now snice the place I enherited is kinda shot,this is not for a small place ether $5,000 will get you a 26X40 buliding.

You add a cement plate and the inside with front and back walls and I think it can be done for $20,000 or less.

Of course you spread that over several years and it's even most cost effecent,also the metal buildings are strong as hell.
 
Sounds like a worthy plan to me, Heber. I have full faith in ya, bro:D:thumbup: Keep us posted as things progress.
 
Can I come and pan for gold? :)

BruiseLeee, if we have a creek you sure can. ;)

you SURE there is water?

Neat dream.

Kis

Yeah, there's tons of water under the soil in the valley I'm looking at. The center of the valley is very marshy. One of the things We will look into before buying property is how easy will it be to drill a well. :)

wildmanh you ever consider a quonset hut? you can buy the shell (no front or back) for around $5,000,or get the other model S I think it is which looks like a reg half-square house for the same.

That's what I'm looking at doing now snice the place I enherited is kinda shot,this is not for a small place ether $5,000 will get you a 26X40 buliding.

You add a cement plate and the inside with front and back walls and I think it can be done for $20,000 or less.

Of course you spread that over several years and it's even most cost effecent,also the metal buildings are strong as hell.

Thanks for reminding me of Quonset huts. They would make a great work ship/store though I'm hoping to build a log cabin other classic 1800's style structure to live in. Kind of the keep with the Rustic look and because I've always wanted to live in one.

Guys, thanks for the support. We will definantly keep you posted. For anyone thats done something like this, feel free to post ideas and sugestions. Right now we are in the saving for and planning stages and will be there for some time. But the more ideas we can get the better.

I recently found out from my mom that she looked into doing a simmaler thing a few years ago. She wanted to buy some property just out side of Spring City, build or move a cabin onto it so that she could have a small place to go to get away from it all and possibly to live there after retirement. Well she ended up finding a nice house just inside of town for a good deal and bought it instead. So that was really cool to learn. :)

This morning before my friend William headed off to church he and I talked a little about our plans. He thought the Quonset Hut idea sounded cool. But he's into doing nice stuff for cheep and he sugested that we look into building our own buildings from scratch or if it's not cost effective to do all of them like that, at least do some. Maybe cut down our own trees and build something with the tools we have. I've been thinking along the same lines and really want to do that too.

Heber
 
Wildmanh, this is the only way to be.
I am very young now and have a young family. But this is my dream too.
Not have to rely on some corrupt government and system of commerce to get my bread on the table.
Subsistance farming is hard work, some of my wife's family do this out in Hsinchu County.
The complain about things but it nothing really bothers them.
I plan on buying back some of their ancestral land and doing the same. Simple people and life is the happiest.
 
There are others here with their eye on Sanpete County. Shhh. Not so loud or the place'll be overrun! I'm told by natives there that water is a problem for all, that you have to buy a place with a share of water and/or well with permit. You have to scout around to find a share to buy if it doesn't come with one. Then you have to drill which can be $2500-8500.

Once our reserve has been restored (we got hit with about $17K of unexpected bills recently), I'd like to do the exact same thing. My dream is a place with rights to the year-round spring or creek that runs through it, but that makes property extremely pricey. I only need 1 to 2 acres for the good gardens, orchard and animals I'd like to keep. As far as shelter, I'd planned on a Yurt for the first few years, then build a small cabin using this company's plans/kits: http://www.enertia.com/

We may end up as neighbors someday Heber. Cool.

I'm most interested in the far north end of the valley, near Indianola, Milburn and Fairview.
 
With the bulk of the crisis still ahead, 2010 might be the earliest time to look at real estate for a long-term project. In the meantime, make sure the guns/ammo angle is covered and work on income/savings.

And keep in mind that raising a family is a whole 'nother level of financial headache than toughing it out on your own as a mountain man. One serious medical situation that you have to pay for out of pocket and the whole project is in jeopardy.
 
Also, considering the increasingly bureaucratic and litigious trajectory of this society, living off the land and out of the income earning loop would leave you open to the depredations of the tax men, the lawyers, and other paper-pushing scumbags. You need physical *and* fiscal security to have control over your immediate and longer term circumstances, and holing up is likely to make the latter difficult to achieve.
 
There are others here with their eye on Sanpete County. Shhh. Not so loud or the place'll be overrun! I'm told by natives there that water is a problem for all, that you have to buy a place with a share of water and/or well with permit. You have to scout around to find a share to buy if it doesn't come with one. Then you have to drill which can be $2500-8500.

Once our reserve has been restored (we got hit with about $17K of unexpected bills recently), I'd like to do the exact same thing. My dream is a place with rights to the year-round spring or creek that runs through it, but that makes property extremely pricey. I only need 1 to 2 acres for the good gardens, orchard and animals I'd like to keep. As far as shelter, I'd planned on a Yurt for the first few years, then build a small cabin using this company's plans/kits: http://www.enertia.com/

We may end up as neighbors someday Heber. Cool.

I'm most interested in the far north end of the valley, near Indianola, Milburn and Fairview.

Nice to see some one else on the forums that knows my old stomping grounds. Between Milburn and Indianloa is where I'm looking (cheeper land prices then the southern end of the valley). Wouldn't mind being neighbors with a Fellow Khukuri Enthusiest. Sounds like we should talk more about our plans. ;)

Drilling for a well is my plan. Back in the Early 90's a friends parents bought land in Indianola and had no problem finding water under the soil. Not sure what hoops they had to go through to have a well dug, but it seemed to me the best way to go. If it's just a matter of spending the money to have a well drilled, pump house and reasuvoir build, thats cool by me. The less I have to deal with county/city water the better.

Some years back I got hit with a 10,000 medical bill (I'm in the old HI Safety thread :o ) but finally got it paid off about 10 months ago. Now that it's taken care of I feel it's my duty/obligation to save my money and some day build my self the farm/ranch I've wanted. My sister and brother inlaw want to do something simmaler to what I want and they've been looking into Indianola also. We talked last night of possibly doing it together.

Starboard, thank you for bringing up those concerns. I plan to get the property and build up slowly so I can keep money into savings incase of emergencies. I also plan to have a regulare job while building the place up. Once things are build and paid for I plan to make my leather and wood working a full time job. A friend and I have talked about business ideas and If we get them going (taxes and all that legal stuff considered) we may like to work and live on the Ranch.

Guns and ammo, I'm slowly working. I'm getting into reloading and making my own gun leather. Every Paycheck our two is going to a gun fund already. What I'm going to need help with is the Logistics of a well, building a Quonset Hut/Yert/Cabin, making the business legal and all that.

If my brother inlaw and I go in together we want to get enough property that we can lease/sell to friends or other like minded individuals.

Heber
 
you SURE there is water?

Neat dream.




Kis



Like I said, Heber. and like mtnfalcn reinforced...after earth, water is priority. Trust, but verify....

My version of your dream is somewhat different, but property taxes are always a concern...you just GOTTA pay them, year after year after...etc. or some bureaucrat will take your land away.


My very best wishes.



Kis
 
I'm glad I started when I could get 85 acres for 52,000.

I have an old farmhouse, a cabin, a barn, 2 water wells plus "city" water and free natural gas.

We also have an old cut stone cellar but I really need to rebuild the cellar house on it. We rebuilt the chicken house and put a small shed and enclosure for the stinky bucks up the road. Also got cost sharing for a spring fed water tank for the bucks.

We have about 5 acres of flat land and about 80 acres of woods.

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I'm planning on much the same thing.
Even have the land picked out, and a well on it.

I planned on living in a Yurt.

As for worrying about savings, I'm worried about having a savings. With the way things are going, hyperinflation is a real possibility, severely devaluing any savings. However, REAL capital (not currency) and hard assets are the things to have.

If you play your cards smart and invest wisely, a man can come out of a depression very well indeed.
 
I've looked at those yurts,looks like an over glorified tent to me :confused:

But whatever makes one happy,I like the thought of steel walls around me.
 
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