Is Canola Toxic? Food For Thought...

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I've had suspicions about canola oil for a long time ever since I found out it was genetically modified and became flogged in the media to farmers and consumers over the past 20 years or so. (as a canola seed commercial is playing on the radio in the background) :)

I mistakenly bought 16 Liters of canola to use as a quenchant (should have just bought real quench oil) and when I took the lid off the first time and poured it into the bucket I noticed a real acrid odor and has a slight burning effect on the eyes and nasal passages. Sort of smells like old rancid linseed oil paint.

Anyhow I thought I'd type "is canola oil... " into google via Firefox and let it fill in the last word; it gave a list, one of which was "toxic" so I clicked on that one.

This is one of the links I happened to read: http://www.aspartame.ca/page_oho3.htm

As with everything else on the web, take it for what it's worth. YMMV.
 
I'll stick with olive oil. It's been proven heart healthy and it's been around since Moby Dick was a minnow. Bertolli has a light olive oil that has a higher smoke point than extra virgin which makes it ideal for pan frying. My need for canola oil is extremely limited. Alton Brown pitched canola oil on his show but I'm still not buying it. Sounds like the product of some evil laboratory.
 
I heard this about 10 years ago from a friend, almost verbatim-never had a use for it
before it became "popular" don't suppose I ever will.
Ken.
 
The internet will tell you that everything will kill you.
 
I have been cooking with canola for many years. Never a problem here. A little visit to Snopes may calm you: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp

I did say 'take it for what it's worth'. Note, though, that all of the references in the snopes write-up are from the early nineties except for one article from The Washington Post from 2001. The Washington Post has never been biased on any topic before so I guess I should take it as gospel. :)

Any proponent or opponent can twist facts and data to help their cause, I guess it's up to us to decide which to believe. For me, if it burns my eyes and nose when I stick my head over a bucket of something that is supposedly 'edible' maybe I'll choose not to eat it.
 
The following was sited from, http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/grocery_shopping/crops/21.genetically_modified_rapeseed.html. (GM means, genetically modified.)

"GM rapeseed has been grown in Canada since 1996. In 2007, GM rapeseed was grown on 5.1 million hectares, which made up approximately 87 percent of Canada's rapeseed crop. GM rapeseed is grown to a lesser degree in the US and in certain states in Australia.
All of the GM rapeseed grown throughout the world is herbicide resistant, which enables a more efficient and effective approach to weed control."
I would conclude that if nearly 90% of the raw material for Canola oil, rape seed, is genetically modified that it is almost a certainty all Canola oil is genetically modified food (sometimes referred to as Frankenfood.) Our country is one of few that has made it illegal to indicate genetically modified food ingredients on food labels.

I Hope this thread doesn't get to hot to handle. ;)
 
I am not going to get into the argument about what this side or that side says about GM foods. (I am still in shock about discovering that wearing black socks will give me cancer - from the 1960's)

What catches my attention is the description of the oil you purchased. You describe it as having burning vapors, and a noxious odor. These are not signs of GM products, or of good food grade oils ( you can't tell GM products apart by looks or smell). What you describe is a sign that the product was either contaminated ,not the right thing, or badly decomposed. I would compare it to a smaller and fresh bottle of canola oil to see if this is possibly the problem before attributing it to being caused by the oil having GM rapeseed in its source.

As to the claims for and against different products, people who are opposed to things will attach all kinds of dire consequences and results. Remember Y2K, the Millennium Virus,etc. These were over blown until there was panic and the fear that caused more damage that the event.
That is not to say that all those who oppose things are wrong. In the case of tobacco, the opponents were right, and the proponents are defending their point of view with negative counterattacks, but no factual defense. In the case of alcohol, the temperance league cited the collapse of the modern world and destruction of society would be the results of the sale of alcohol to the masses. That was not the case, albeit that alcohol abuse is a major cause of highway death, can cause personal illness, and contributes to family problems.

Stacy
 
And many doctors used to recommend smoking cigarettes.

Putting too much trust in the hands of the authorities, the knowledgeable and those who are charged with our safety and well-being, can often prove hazardous to our health...but it can sometimes take generations to realize. DDT is another unfortunate example. If in doubt, I believe erring on the side of caution might be the prudent choice.

I've just about decided that the out-of-balance voices of extreme view points are not necessarily a bad thing. If one steps back from the polarization then finding center, or at least developing a process that starts moving one's understanding toward balance, can be that much easier.
 
It is mostly BS and I'm a toxicologist. It is possible that the OP has an allergy to the oil or he did indeed receive rancid oil. Old oil does go bad. GM-food have no health affects related to them. There are of course moral and ethical issues about companies engineering plants that can't self-propogate and trying to take over the world by monopolizing food production. However, that is just the usual product of capitolistic greed and mulit-national corporation behavior - in other words what we've come to expect from monolith companies like Monsanto. As for toxins, no GM foods are not toxic. Nor is the phylogenetic history of a plant necessarily correlated to its toxicity.
 
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no GM foods are not toxic.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here... It sounded like you were a proponent of GM foods but here you say that they are toxic. Double negative, am I missing something? Language barrier? I'm third generation Canadian and feel I have a good grasp on the English language and it sounds like you may have a degree so this statement could require some clarification.

If you are saying that GM foods are not toxic, I hope that is true and that it remains true for decades to come. As Phil eluded to with the doctors prescribing cigarettes; sometimes listening to the establishment isn't the best medicine.
 
I am sure it toxic to a certain point, I am also sure its probaly not an immediate danger. If man makes it its probaly gonna have something wrong somewhere, but you could probaly use it for a life time and never see the effects, I mean hell your drinking water is toxic to a certain point, but more than likely will never affect you.
 
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here... It sounded like you were a proponent of GM foods but here you say that they are toxic. Double negative, am I missing something? Language barrier? I'm third generation Canadian and feel I have a good grasp on the English language and it sounds like you may have a degree so this statement could require some clarification.

If you are saying that GM foods are not toxic, I hope that is true and that it remains true for decades to come. As Phil eluded to with the doctors prescribing cigarettes; sometimes listening to the establishment isn't the best medicine.

It was a typo on my part and not meant to have some kind of double meaning. I'm educated, but sometimes I don't produce the best grammer on the forums ;) I am a professor at a university in Canada and teach ecotoxicology to 4th students. You can find my professional website in my profile if you want to look me up.

Anyhow, I do not like the prospect of GM foods because of the politics related to them, i.e. multinational corporations putting the screws to the little farmers by developing plants that have high yields but don't self propagate thus forcing reliance on a company by the farmer for their seeds. Part of the GM suite of genes involves pesticide resistance. This allows the farmers to nuke their field prior to planting and basically only their plants are capable of surviving and germinating with the pesticide application.

The new pesticides of today used in Canada do not last very long in the soil, so by the time the plant is harvested there is little to no detectable pesticide residues remaining. There will always be some residues, but the state of science today on pesticide applications/human health is far better than it was 20 or 30 years ago.

Of course, the same company sells both the GM-pesticide resistant seeds and the pesticide that the seed is resistant to so they have a monopoly on the $$. They push their product and demand long-term contractual agreements with individual farmers, i.e. 10 year deals ect. where the farmer has to buy a set amount of seed no matter how well their crops do. Sometimes the seeds don't do as well as the fancy brochures promise, but like a bad cell phone plan, it is the farmer who eats the losses not the seed manufacturer.

There are lots of fears and anxieties raised about GM-foods that have more to do with Sci Fi than reality. GM refers to modifying the genome using molecular methods. Usually this involves using a partially inactivated virus to insert a desirable gene into a host embroyic cell e.g. the seed to be grown. In many ways this is a speeding up of evolution (mutation frequencies) and selection for desirable attributes. In normal cross breeding programs, 10,000's plants are grown and screened for desirable attributes. These plants are then allowed to fertilize a new set of plants. The difference with GM methods is that a desirable gene from one species can be lifted and inserted into a new species in the laboratory. This ability to steel a gene from one donor species and insert it into another species opens up a whole ball game for the selective/cross breeding programs. However, scientist still can't invent new genes, they have to find one in an existing animal.

I suppose this can bring up all kinds of scary thoughts, but for the most part there are limits on what can be done. There are some unique things that scientists have been working on. One example that a guest scientist I knew from Australia was working on was a suicide gene for aquaculture salmon. Basically this gene required a certain nutrient, a specific type of amino acid, be added to the fish's food in order for that fish to survive. The purpose of the gene was to prevent escapee's from the fish pens from breeding outside and becoming an invading species. I.e. the escapees without the benefit of the provisioned fish farm food (an antidote to the suicide gene if you like) would die. That probably sounds scary.

Some major fears are based on the fact that there is a very small potential for cross species gene transmission to occur outside of the control of biochemical labs. The evidence for this is still rather weak, but there have been curiosities observed where some non-crop like weeds growing near GM foods were able to incorporate the pesticide resistance gene. Whether this is a form of independent evolution of a similar pesticide resistance in the weed or in fact some kind of accidental viral incorporation of the GM modified gene into a different species remains to be worked out. Thus far, these examples are generally limited to gene flow between somewhat related species.

Now the fears usually translate into something of the effect: 'if I eat GM foods, there is a freak chance that I'll get the modified genes'. This is simply not going to happen by our known understanding of cross-species gene transfer mechanisms. When you consume food, you destroy the genetic structure of whatever it is you ate as part of the digestion process in your gut tract. You only assimilate nucleic acids which are the building blocks of DNA but your intestine cannot take up whole chunks of DNA or intact genes. So you are not going to get a GM-gene by eating GM foods. However, if you have an active imagination and know about things like the suicide gene and ignore the fact that you can't receive the modified gene by eating a GM-plant product it can all sound scary.

Now as to the toxicity of canola. As mentioned in Snopes, this is based on wild type rapeseed oil having a high content of erucic acids which contributes to health issues. One of the goals of prior selective breeding programs was to develop rapeseed varieties that produced very little erucic acids and this is the achievement of modern day canola. In this case the amount of erucic acid produced by modern formulations is not much different than what can be found in other types vegetable oils and it is considered safe in terms of health testing protocols. Since all of this was worked out in the 70's, the process of producing low erucic acid plants would have occurred by the normal selection and cross breeding approach and unlikely involved GM techniques as they weren't really around in those times. In other words the same process that humans have been using for 50,000 years to refine crops. Very likely, the newer GM modified plants are ones which have the pesticide resistance gene incorporated into them that allow the farmers to maximize their yields and nothing to do with erucic acid.

So in the end the toxicity issue of rapeseed is not related to the fact that most canola is GM. However, the popular phobia of GM foods being bad is easily confused with the whole rapseed to canola selection to remove toxic ericic acids. I hope this is more understandable than my previous message.

You may ultimately decide that the small amount of erucic acid still present in the oil is still unsafe and be dammed the FDA and their guidelines. This will prompt you to switch to another type of vegetable oil. Then, sooner or layer you will discover something else that is bad with that substitute. It just so happens that plants produce toxins because it is part of their evolutionary defense mechanisms against being eaten. That is just a the natural process of plant/animal warefare and again nothing to do with GM.
 
Thank you for your clarification, kgd. You make some valid points.

My stance on the subject is that as 60 years ago there were many unknowns with cigarette smoke and when people began to ask questions the cigarette companies lied because their $$Billion businesses depend on people buying their produce.

Anyhow, I do not like the prospect of GM foods because of the politics related to them, i.e. multinational corporations putting the screws to the little farmers by developing plants that have high yields but don't self propagate thus forcing reliance on a company by the farmer for their seeds

Sounds evil to me. Why should I trust a company that takes such measures?

I once watched a documentary where some scientists made a simple modification to some fruit flies to change something simple like hair color or skin color and the result was catastrophic (to the flies) they were not able to reproduce.

I'm not afraid of anything that is known; it is the unknown that worries me.
 
Sounds evil to me. Why should I trust a company that takes such measures?

I once watched a documentary where some scientists made a simple modification to some fruit flies to change something simple like hair color or skin color and the result was catastrophic (to the flies) they were not able to reproduce.

Like I said, the business model is the evil part not the scientists. I've never yet met an evil scientist, even the ones that work for industry.

On your last point, the effect is called pleiotropy. This is a condition where one gene controls the expression of many other genes and/or their traits. Pleiotropy is the reason why evolution can be very rapid, because a single mutation can have wide reaching effects. Again, its sort of how nature works anyhow. Mutations are a constantly occuring by natural means, through UV-exposures and just through screw ups in the DNA replication process.

I'll bow out of this conversation now as I've pretty much said what I want to state.
 
..... I've never yet met an evil scientist, even the ones that work for industry. ......

Kind of you to say, Doc! I feel the same about professors. Even a couple of Nobel-toting versions, despite their abusive treatment of post-docs. :D But, that's a topic for a different discussion. :)
 
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