is it a schrade??

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got a new knife yesterday, its a western, 3 blade stockman. the scales look like the old stockman schrade scales. i have not really ever heard much about western, but it is stamped western, stainless, u.s.a., withe the back of the main blade stamped: s-6504. dod schrade make these or am i just hoping?

kris
 
From what I know, Western knives were made by the company "Western" in Boulder Colorado, They were some while ago taken over by Camillus. Camillus were still making knives with the Western name on right up to the close of the Camillus factory. Western was started by the Platts Family who years ago were closely associated with Case, with regard to your knife I would think it is a genuine Western, I think the latter models had the Camillus stamp on also. exact dates of operation for the Western company someone else may know.

Rusty1
 
Western States Cutlery claimed founding in 1896, but that was the C. Platts and Sons Cutlery which opened in Gowanda, New York. Doing well, they soon outgrew their building and moved to Eldred, Pennsylvania in 1897. They made knives for Case Bros. in their early years.

Case Brothers Cutlery was formed by Jean, John, and Andrew Case in 1900. That same year, Charles Platts died, and the name was changed to C. Platts’ Sons. J. Russell Case formed W.R. Case and Son Cutlery Company in Little Valley, NY in 1902, and in 1904 the name was changed to W.R. Case and Sons Cutlery Company.

In 1905, they moved to Bradford, PA, and purchased C. Platt's Sons Cutlery of Eldred, PA from Harvey N. Platts. Harvey N. Platts became Secretary and Superintendent of the factory. John Russell Case and Harvey N. Platts were brothers-in-law and worked together for years.

In 1907, the Platts brothers (Joseph A., Charles W. and Frank L.) of Eldred, Pa. signed a contract with the Business Men’s Association of Andover, New York. They would move their cutlery plant from Eldred, Pa. to Andover. In 1908, Case Manufacturing Co. was founded by J.D. and Andrew Case in Kane, Pa. In 1910, a petition in bankruptcy proceedings was filed against the Platts Brothers Cutlery Co. and in May of 1910 the business was advertised for sale, by the trustee in bankruptcy and was sold to C.W.Harrison of Sheffield, England.

In 1911, Case Manufacturing Co. closed the Kane plant, and opened in Warren, Pa. and Little Valley, NY. They sold out to W.R. Case & Sons of Braford, Pa. that same year.

Also in 1911, Western States Cutlery and Manufacturing Company was founded in Boulder, CO., by H. N. Platts. In 1956, the name was shortened to Western Cutlery.

In 1978, Western Cutlery moved from Boulder, CO. to Longmont, CO. and in 1984, was acquired by Coleman and became Coleman-Western.

In 1991, Camillus acquired Western of Longmont, Colorado, and began producing Western knives in their Camillus NY plant shortly thereafter. Then in 2007, Camillus went bankrupt and the Western trademark is currently in limbo along with the other Camillus owned trademarks.

Sources for this history are the Western catalogs and "Knife makers who went west".

Michael

PS - I find the S-6504 Woodcraft Knife listed in the 1980 catalog.
 
WOW!!! thanks for the info guys! michael, there is no way anyone knows as much about knives as u!! i did not know all the history, i thought i had found a "contract" schrade, but it looks like i found another nice piece of american history. i actually just finished cleaning and oiling it, it looks stunning. the handles were kinda faded and chalky looking, and the bolsters were dull as heck, but with some oil, light buffing, and alot of rubbing with a cotton cloth, she looks like a brand new one! and to think, i only paid $3 for my edc!!! thanks again guys, i can always rely on ya'll for the answer!

kris
 
Kris - I have two Western stockman, and they are very much like the Ulster knives. Well made knives I believe.
 
yea, i been using mine for a edc, and yesterday put it tto the test with a machine here, it worked fine, and i am amazed at the quality.

kris
 
G'Day Kris, By coincidence I recently sold a Western Stockman together with Schrade 505SC <equivalent of 8OT size stockman> Ebay #300090640712. There are some good comparison photos on that item of the Western. Is it the same as your stockman? P.S. Now and again I sell one of my Schrades that I have multiple copies of but always to buy another Schrade I dont have. Check out the photos. I have heaps of non Schrade knives collected through the years that shudder every time I enter their fowl house when I'm in a selling mood cos they are the first to lose their heads!! Hoo Roo
 
Nice find Kris Im a fan of thoes too. there is a little hardware store by me that still sells western's or they still sell what they have left anyway. -Joel
 
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