Is it real stag or not? How can I tell?

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I'm thinking of perusing the local flea markets and yard sales in an attempt to find some stag handled knives or whatever catches my eye.

My question is: How can I tell if it's real stag or bone made to look like stag or if it's an acrylic?

Is there a physical way of identifying stag? Do I need to smell it? Scratch it? Uh, taste it? :(

Any help would be appreciated!

Burton
 
Good thing that the latest SOG Supertool includes a fold-out nuclear magnetic resonanace spectrometer.

Of course... it weighs 1500 pounds. They're still working on it.
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RE: Gollnick :D :D

Its usually not too tough, you can often see tooling marks on the fake stuff; the color doesnt look right. If its has no but cap it should be very dense and closed grain to be a good sambar. The polished areas should be a creamy color and consistancy. You can kinda tell by feel, bone is harder and more r brittle whereas stag is more resiliant; they have different feels to them. Ive never been fooled in real life, but I also have the benefit of working with alot of real stag, so ive gotten used to it. Good luck -- Charles
 
Hey C. Marlowe, I've got a stag question maybe you can help me with. I've got a large handmade bowie that I bought at an auction several years ago. The owner was moving from a large house to a samaller one and auctioning a ton of stuff including knives a a few guns. Most of his knives were mid level production stuff and most were used. The bowie is well made but looks to me to be an early attempt by someone used to working with his hands. Anyway the knife is stored with a lot of others in a large chest. The last time I looked at it, the stag seemed to have sprouted some type of gray "fur". I've got lots of other stag knives and have never had this problem before. Is stag usually "cured" or treated or sealed in some way before it is used for a knife handle? Also can you recommend something to clean it with? I was reluctant to do anything as I didn't want to ruin it. Would rubbing alcohol be alright? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

phantom4
 
Hmmm.... fur? Never encountered that myself, so not sure what to tell you there. Stag is really ready to use after it cures for awhile to get the moisture content down, this is really so it doesnt swell/shrink/crack. You can put "green" stag on a knife, youll just have a good chance of one of the above happening. The only treatment I know of prior to assembly is to burn the stag, this is pretty commmon and helps give it that nice amber color. As per cleaning, when I used to build fixed blades I used acetone to clean up the entire knife including the handle, so ( accpeting no liabilty ) I should think alcohol would be ok: whatever you do DO NOT soak the knife, that is not good for anything. Before you get into solvents though, id just use some hot soapy water, get a rag wet and wipe over the stag, then dry ( enire knife ) immediatley. Hope this helps some -- Charles
 
Thanks Charles, I'll try that. I guess using a hair dryer after wouldn't hurt.

phantom4
 
There is a test that I use to tell if scrimshaw is real or not, it's the burn test. You heat up a pin red hot and stick it into the material in a place where it won't be easily seen. If it smells like burnt hair it is real. Just be careful when buying.
 
You heat up a pin red hot and stick it into the material in a place where it won't be easily seen. If it smells like burnt hair it is real.

Don't do it.

You can learn more using a loop then by damaging the piece with a pin. There is no need to harm the item.

n2s
 
And if I use a loupe, what am I looking for? What should I be avoiding? What magnification should the loupe be?

I've never seen stag up close. Nor bone.

I never cared for stag but recently I came across some and I've grown to like them. So here I go again with another infatuation.

Burton
 
Up close real stag will have a completely random nature to the surface, especially on when you look at it very closely. Under maginification you will see no machine or grind marks. Most bone jigging is very obvious, but some of Queen's new carved stag bone can fool you from a distance, but not up close. If it looks like someone used a dremel to make the surface appear like it does, then it's bone. Fake stag (plastic) will have the correct surface texture, but will be very obvious. The dark color on the surface will be a very thin layer (look where the scales change to white, like near the bolster). It will be a very obvious surface-only color. And the white part of the stag by the bolster will be very uniform. Most older real stag that you see at flea markets is not uniformly white where the surface has been ground off by the bolsters. Plastic will also feel like, well, plastic. Perhaps the best way is to look at some real stag. See if you can find some knives that you know are real stag (like Puma, Bulldog, Eye Brand, maybe Case) and get a feel for the range of feel and appearance. There are some brands, like the above-mentioned, that have only used real stag, no imitation stag. Also look at Schrade's Uncle Henry knives, they are a good example of fake stag. And a lot of the newer Kabar knives have fake stag (they call it Ka-stag). If you can look at a few examples of real and fake stag, you will quickly realize that it is easy to tell the difference.
 
Look and feel is the only way I can tell if it is real stag or not. One can definitely tell the difference between the totally fake stag and the real stag. I am talking about the man made materials here such as plastics.

The premium stag bone, cattle bone that has been jigged and dyed, looks real good and can fool you even at a short distance. I just got a knife from PJ Tomes that has the stag bone, and it really looks like premium stuff and the real thing.

The way I can tell if the stag bone is real stag or not is to look at it up close. It's just too perfect meaning that both sides just match too close. Also, if your hands are sweaty, dyed and jigged cattle bone(stag bone) will fade color into your hands especially if it is a new piece. Big D1
 
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