Is it time to rethink what oil you use?

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Edalb

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Hi there!

I have recently discovered the wonders that RemOil works on my knives. In the past, I have been using Tuf-Glide and let me tell you...I am not going to use it again on any of my knives.

Please note that I have done no expert's tests on these two brands but I think that RemOil is more human friendly. Every time I used Tuf-Glide on my knives I would start coughing and get some eye irritation. That stuff is way to toxic for me. Besides, the knife would smell awefully bad. No such issues with RemOil. I find that RemOil does not darken the colour of the blade or handle as Tuf-Glide did. Tuf-Glide left marks on the S30V blade of one of my knives:thumbdn:

These are just my observations/experiences from using these two oils. I by no means try to convince you to switch to RemOil. If you happen to use Tuf-Glide and you're happy with it...good for you---It just isn't for me;)

Best wishes,

Edalb
 
If you're that impressed with Rem-Oil, give Militec-1 a try. I've never used Tuf-Glide before, but I've used Rem-Oil and I wasn't all that impressed. Also, the way I see it is that Tuf-Glide is a rust-preventer first and a lubricant second. That's just my two cents.
 
coolcrow said:
If you're that impressed with Rem-Oil, give Militec-1 a try. [edit] Also, the way I see it is that Tuf-Glide is a rust-preventer first and a lubricant second. That's just my two cents.
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I agree that Tuf Glide is not a great lubricant.
In my experience, the best pivot lubricants available are Militec-1 and Shooters Choice FP-10.

But everyone seems to have their particular favorites...
 
+1 on the Rem Oil and the Rem Oil Wipes are great for giving your blades a quick wipe down. I usually keep a Rem Oil Wipe or two in my gear bag they are so handy.
 
Mark Mrozek of Sentry Solutions here. I noticed the thread discussing TUF-GLIDE and knife care.

We always like to hear from our customers and we certainly enjoy positive feedback. Fortunately the positve far out weighs the negative, but the negative is actually more important to us. That is how we learn and provide better products.

I'm troubled by the report of someone having a reaction to TUF-GLIDE. TUF-GLIDE has solvent properties due to its mineral spirits carrier but the reaction described is very unusual. In fact it is so unusual that it is likely an allergic reaction. We say this because TUF-GLIDE has received a full toxicity clearance from the US ARMY CENTER FOR HEALTH PROMOTION AND PREVENTIVE MEDICINE, and in the more than 10 years it has been on the market we have fewer than 10 compliants across our entire product line. That being said if someone has had a bad experience we are sorry and trust that all is well.

There were some points regarding performance characteristics it might be helpful to comment on. TUF-GLIDE offers several benefits due to its chemistry. It cleans, it lubricates and it protects. It is important to note that TUF-GLIDE is very different from the other products mentioned in this thread. TUF-GLIDE does not contain any oil. TUF-GLIDE relies on a volatile carrier to transfer its active ingredients to the mechanism/surfaces being lubricated. When the carrier evaporates there is no oil film remaining on the surfaces. This point is critical to the "feel" of actions of firearms and knives and even how they sound. Without the oil film on the metal surfaces there is no dampening effect provided. Oil has the effect of literally dampening down the sound (more quiet) of an action. Also, without the oil film there is no resistive effect due to the hydrostatic and hydrodynamic characteristics of that fluid oil film.

So equipment performance is very different with Sentry Solutions products and the difference is not necessarliy due to a lack of proper lubrication. After many years of successful field and combat testing at the hands of our Spec-Ops Teams, TUF-GLIDE and TUF-CLOTH were not accidentally issued to 60,000 + troops for small arms and light weapons maintenance. Sentry Solutions products work differently because they are very different.

Should any one like additional information or have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me, mark@sentrysolutions.com or visit www.sentrysolutions.com

In the meantime I hope you "hold your edge".

Sincerely,
Mark Mrozek
Sentry Solutions Ltd. USA
 
RemOil is worse then WD40, in my experience. I have never found a use for it outside of fishing reel lubrication, and for that, it is only adequate.
 
I use rem-oil for my shotguns and also to lube folders as well as to protect the blades of my knives. It is a great gun lubricant and seems to keep my knives rust free.
 
I use MobilOne for nearly all my firearm lube needs, with some Tetra grease thrown in for certain things. I find lubes such as RemOil much too thin and prone to burn off. I am currently testing Lucas Gun Oil, and so far have had favorable results. I shoot upward of a couple thousand rounds a year through my duty gun, not to mention my others, so I think I can give a pretty good test.
 
sentry said:
Mark Mrozek of Sentry Solutions here. I noticed the thread discussing TUF-GLIDE and knife care.

We always like to hear from our customers and we certainly enjoy positive feedback. Fortunately the positve far out weighs the negative, but the negative is actually more important to us. That is how we learn and provide better products.

I'm troubled by the report of someone having a reaction to TUF-GLIDE. TUF-GLIDE has solvent properties due to its mineral spirits carrier but the reaction described is very unusual. In fact it is so unusual that it is likely an allergic reaction. We say this because TUF-GLIDE has received a full toxicity clearance from the US ARMY CENTER FOR HEALTH PROMOTION AND PREVENTIVE MEDICINE, and in the more than 10 years it has been on the market we have fewer than 10 compliants across our entire product line. That being said if someone has had a bad experience we are sorry and trust that all is well.

There were some points regarding performance characteristics it might be helpful to comment on. TUF-GLIDE offers several benefits due to its chemistry. It cleans, it lubricates and it protects. It is important to note that TUF-GLIDE is very different from the other products mentioned in this thread. TUF-GLIDE does not contain any oil. TUF-GLIDE relies on a volatile carrier to transfer its active ingredients to the mechanism/surfaces being lubricated. When the carrier evaporates there is no oil film remaining on the surfaces. This point is critical to the "feel" of actions of firearms and knives and even how they sound. Without the oil film on the metal surfaces there is no dampening effect provided. Oil has the effect of literally dampening down the sound (more quiet) of an action. Also, without the oil film there is no resistive effect due to the hydrostatic and hydrodynamic characteristics of that fluid oil film.

So equipment performance is very different with Sentry Solutions products and the difference is not necessarliy due to a lack of proper lubrication. After many years of successful field and combat testing at the hands of our Spec-Ops Teams, TUF-GLIDE and TUF-CLOTH were not accidentally issued to 60,000 + troops for small arms and light weapons maintenance. Sentry Solutions products work differently because they are very different.

Should any one like additional information or have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me, mark@sentrysolutions.com or visit www.sentrysolutions.com

In the meantime I hope you "hold your edge".

Sincerely,
Mark Mrozek
Sentry Solutions Ltd. USA
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A big thanks for taking the time to chime in here. Also good to see a real explanation than just a form letter :thumbup:.
 
Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply.

I have used TUF-GLIDE extensively for years. I use it for general lube and rust protection, with Mil Spec in the pivot.

I shoot a bunch and after a complete clean, stripping all lubes, dirt, grime, etc, I soak with Tuf, then dry completely - then I lube with Mil or Snake Oil, depending on where in the gun I am lubing. My perception is that the guns are much, much easier to keep clean after doing this. I can wipe off after most matches and most of the shooting gunk ("shooting gunk" is a technical term used by shooters who, like me, can get anything dirty!) wipes right off.

Same with knife blades.

Thank you for your reply.

Ed
 
If you have not tried it, you should. Militec-1 is quite amazing. I use it on many Lock applications as well as my knives and tools.:thumbup:
 
I have been using most of the Sentry products for the past two years on my handguns(really like the the Marine Tuf Cloth) and have had great results. My 1911 even seems to clean up easier now. When new, both my Kershaw Offset and BlackHawk Crucible were not very smooth and the Offset's lock button was gritty feeling,hanging up and very difficult to release. After a a couple of drops of Tuf Glide the lock release is smooth as silk and both knives now open effortlessly. I know this might sound like an advertisement but I am really impressed with this stuff.
 
Hi there!

This is the original poster replying here. Let me start off by saying that I am happily surprised to see that after my initial post has been left idle for a couple or so days, it all of a sudden picked up energy and speed thanks to the contribution by Mr. Mark Mrozek from Sentry Solutions.

I say "thanks" above and I mean it, because I do agree with him on many of the points he has stated in his post. Tuf-Glide is indeed a "different" product than all the "others" out there.

I have no problem whatsoever admitting that it was because of Tuf-Glide that I got my first automatic knife to fire and retract smoothly--contrary to "popular" belief that one needs to exercise his/her thumb when operating auto knives for the first time--but, as I have already posted in the auto forum here, and as Mr. Mrozek correctly states, it did sort of dampened down the sound of the fire and retract action of my OTF knife, which is something that I didn't particularly like and which I corrected/restored by using RemOil.

But I need to stress again that, it was due to the application of Tuf-Glide that my automatic knife operated smoothly--I have documented this in the auto forum before posting my overall experience of Tuf-Glide here a couple of days ago--my thumbs would have been still very sore, LOL without Tuf-Glide.

I can definitely see how useful the dampening down of the action in a firearm would be--for example, you don't want your shotgun to be making all that clicking noise while waiting for the animal/bird to approach you, but it wasn't the case for my knife. I liked the sound it made pre-application of Tuf-Glide but I also liked the way it operated post-application of Tuf-Glide... which for me it translated to a problem.

Also, there is an indirect message in my original post... I never said that I wouldn't use Tuf-Glide for any other applications, for example guns or farm and household metal equipement. I do not contest that it wouldn't achieve its intended purposes, i.e., prevent rust corrosion, lubricate and clean, but I believe that what is less disputable is my observation that it is on the strong side when it comes to smell/vapours, while being applied.

Perhaps I got the (allergic) reaction that I did because I either used too much of the product or there was lack of ample ventilation. From the first day I got the big wipe I thought there was too much Tuf-Glide in it. So I cut it to smaller squares, but still the smaller wipes were soaked with the product. Perhaps less (?) Tuf-Glide in it would be better? It is only a suggestion.

To conclude, I would repeat myself by saying once again that "If you happen to use Tuf-Glide and you're happy with it...good for you---It just isn't for me" and I will ADD... as far as knives are concerned... or maybe with smaller wipes and less Tuf-Glide in them I am willing to give the product a second chance. In fact, I have not thrown away neither the wipe (which I have cut into smaller pieces) nor the little lubricant bottle. They are sitting in a small bag with RemOil next to them!

Best wishes,

Edalb
 
I have been using Rem-Oil recently. Been happy with it so far. But am curious, on down the road....has anyone had any negative expierence with Rem-Oil leaving stains on the blade finish after the knife has been in storage for a period of time?

-BluesK
 
Tuf Glide doesn't dampen the sound because it is dry once the mineral spirits evaporate.

Mineral spirits can be irritating, but I'd rather clean up with that instead of lacquer thinner, acetone, or MEK *blech* they do a number on my sinuses.
 
i plan to use mil spec on the pivots of my folders. does it have to be heated? previously i had used tuf-glide and it slowed the action. i plan to use it to protect but not as a lube.
 
From all my research and trying different lubes I've gathered that "heating" the metal artificially doesn't really do much except make it spread and penetrate the mechanism faster. There is heat involved but it occurs naturally at the microscopic level where there is friction between the metal surfaces. Oh, and try to keep the militec away from delicate plastics, like celluloid or ABS and whatever they make SAK scales out of. I haven't had problems with sak scales but I have had some other cheap plastics become brittle and literally fall apart on me when I used the militec on some household items, I stopped using it at full concentration on my knives after that and didn't let it get near a SAK.
 
Well for me whenever I smell Tuf-Glide or any gun oil it sends an olfactory message to my brain that I is having fun handling guns or knives.
 
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