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Is my Civilian fake?
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How many liners? and where did you buy it from?
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Looks real to me. All the fake Civilians I've seen that have VG-10 blade markings also have a lockbar that lacks the David Boye dent, a combination of features that never existed on a real Civilian, while yours has the dent.
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I agree with Deacon that its real.
But here is a video comparison I found. I hope it helps.
[video=youtube;kCDfnHXNtOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCDfnHXNtOc[/video]
But here is a video comparison I found. I hope it helps.
[video=youtube;kCDfnHXNtOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCDfnHXNtOc[/video]
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Wow, what a sad bunch of comments on that video.
I couldn't help myself and left one of my own...sigh.I have no doubt it's a fake: It has many features typical of fakes, not all of which are outlined in various videos: For instance the spider on the blade is dark this time, so they fixed that, but the most obvious issue is that the real checkering is so fine on the real thing that it should be completely invisible in your photos.
In case that turns out to be a variant of materials (very doubtful), there is another even more obvious issue that is quite stupid on their part: The curvature on the forward part of the handle ends in an abrupt square on the bottom, completely unlike mine, which has an increasing curve there: Not even close...
The "hook" purchase to the little finger is ever so slightly "squarer" on mine, being a more pronounced curve there. This is also the case on the video comparison linked above (but the fake's front handle is way better in the video)
A consistent, but somewhat more subtle, issue seems to be an exaggerated secondary grind line curve on the fake's blade, mostly towards the front, combined with a very slightly reduced "flow" of the edge's actual curvature, starting more straight at the base before climbing into a curve: The real one is very slightly more "flowing", but note I spotted much larger differences between two real ones in terms of blade profile depth at the bottom of the curve, but not in the "flow" of the edge's curvature as I can see here... In this aspect yours may be slightly better than the fake one in the video, but the front of the grip is much further off...
The smaller pivot screw inside the clip base is also correctly larger on yours, so that was fixed as well: I don't understand why the front of the handle is so much worse, when most of it is better than the video fake... The coarser checkering is a limitation they could not overcome apparently...
Is there any vertical blade play when open? Even real ones are very often far from perfect, and what I do is buy two at a time and sell the wobbly one... Worked out exactly as expected last time: One was tight, the other not... And they were both real Civilians, and quite different in the blade's profile depth in the "beak"... Your blade could pass for a real one, given the real one's fairly loose tolerances, but just the barest touch of "flow" is missing...
Gaston
In case that turns out to be a variant of materials (very doubtful), there is another even more obvious issue that is quite stupid on their part: The curvature on the forward part of the handle ends in an abrupt square on the bottom, completely unlike mine, which has an increasing curve there: Not even close...
The "hook" purchase to the little finger is ever so slightly "squarer" on mine, being a more pronounced curve there. This is also the case on the video comparison linked above (but the fake's front handle is way better in the video)
A consistent, but somewhat more subtle, issue seems to be an exaggerated secondary grind line curve on the fake's blade, mostly towards the front, combined with a very slightly reduced "flow" of the edge's actual curvature, starting more straight at the base before climbing into a curve: The real one is very slightly more "flowing", but note I spotted much larger differences between two real ones in terms of blade profile depth at the bottom of the curve, but not in the "flow" of the edge's curvature as I can see here... In this aspect yours may be slightly better than the fake one in the video, but the front of the grip is much further off...
The smaller pivot screw inside the clip base is also correctly larger on yours, so that was fixed as well: I don't understand why the front of the handle is so much worse, when most of it is better than the video fake... The coarser checkering is a limitation they could not overcome apparently...
Is there any vertical blade play when open? Even real ones are very often far from perfect, and what I do is buy two at a time and sell the wobbly one... Worked out exactly as expected last time: One was tight, the other not... And they were both real Civilians, and quite different in the blade's profile depth in the "beak"... Your blade could pass for a real one, given the real one's fairly loose tolerances, but just the barest touch of "flow" is missing...
Gaston
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