Is price what makes a knife "a user" vs "a collector"

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I'll try not to ramble too much, but this is a long posting.

I've bought a lot of knives over the last 12 months. Perhaps not as many as some folks, but most of them live in 4 big plastic storage tubs. I'm single and have a pretty good job, so much of my income is "disposable". I've tended to buy on eBay, and to browse a few online shops that I have good prices and service. For a while I bought lots of Cold Steel and CRKT, a few Spydercos and Beckers, and I went through a "puukko phase" when I bought Helle, Mora, Iisakki Järvenpää, a Kellam Wolverine. I even have some "semi-custom" knives including several John Greco knives, which I consider to be an outstanding value. In short, I haven't focused on any brand, but more on a subjective price to quality ratio.

Frequently, I'd buy knives just because they were a good deal, often being clearanced because they were discontinued. Some were good quality knives at great prices, some were just cheap knives. I'm not talking no-name China or Pakistan knives, but I picked up several S&Ws and even a couple of Frost knives (I don't think of Frost knives for quality, but I have a fondness for their "Alamo Defender" Bowie).

My two EDCs are a Kershaw Leek (1660G10ST) with G10 handles and an s30v stone washed ComboEdge blade and a Spyderco Tasman Salt (C106YSL). I like fixed-blades and have a bunch of them, but I work in an office, so they simply aren't practical to carry. I like big fixed-blade knives as much as the next guy and own several, but simply carrying anything longer than about a 5 inch blade in town is likely to draw undesired law-enforcement attention.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that I've spent quite a bit over the last year and have a large quantity of knives to show for it, but I've tried to limit how much I spend on any single knife to about $100. There have, of course, been exceptions, but I think of them as "collectors" rather than "users". Lately, my attention has been wandering toward Busse / Swamp Rat / Scrapyard knives, which is causing me to re-evaluate my basic preconceptions.

First, what is the value of all those knives in storage boxes? I can only carry one or two at a time, and since I almost always carry the same two, the rest of them don't "do" anything for me but take up space. Don't get me wrong, I'm not planning on giving any of them away, but I could have a fairly good sized pile of Busse knives for what I've spent, or an even bigger pile of Rats or Dogs. They'd hold or appreciate in value and take up less space, plus they'd have much more of an "Oooh... Ahhh..." factor. Their only downside would be that, at least in my current mindset, I'd go from having a lot of knives that I don't use, to fewer knives that I couldn't use.

Next, from the number of descriptions I've read about how well an edge holds up to cutting cardboard or chopping logs, I don't think that I'm unusual in not depending on a knife for day-to-day survival. I can count the number of knife fights I've been in on no hands, so the knives that I carry have always been quite sufficient for my needs. However, if a time should ever come that my life really depends on a knife, does it make any sense to have my best stuff at home in a box?

Finally: the Swamp Rat tie-in. As I posted yesterday, I just received an INFIcoot. It's my first Swamp Rat, and an outstanding knife that is sized so that I could probably carry it in town, although certainly not at the office. However, the rarity and cost of the knife would normally preclude ever considering using it. If I keep that INFIcoot locked away, I believe that it'll continue to appreciate in value, but there's a part of me that's beginning to think that a knife should be a tool, not an investment, and that its greatest value lies in being available if you need it.
 
Nope- you are what makes a knife a user or a collector! You will see plenty of people here using rare old Busses to chop whatever strikes their fancy, just like there are plenty of people making safe queens out of $30 knives.

Isn't freedom wonderful!
 
jnphares:

I responded to your thread about the INFIcoot yesterday and believe that you should use it. Like you said these knives should be thought of as more of a tool than an investment. The INFIcoot is not a one-off custom that you paid $3,000 for. It is a high quality knife, but not intended to be a show piece. That's not to say that this isn't a high-quality knife that won't appreciate in value over time. Look at the prices some older (and not so old) Busses are going for these days. On the other hand you will also see many Busse, SRKW and SYK USERS fetching close to original MSRP if not higher. These are highly sought after blades with a tight clan of maniacal followers. The first Bandicoot (SR-101) I bought was a user and I believe I paid right around MSRP and this blade had been used hard. Chipped blade coating and a little superficial rust. I removed all the coating, polished it up real nice to remove the rust and make it shine. It's not new, but I don't care cause I use it. I would be willing to bet that if you used your new INFIcoot for two years, hard, that it would still get you about $200 or more. That's not a bad investment. You got to use a super tough knife instead of just being able to look at it, and it still got you some fun money down the road to buy something else.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Just remember the Busse family of knives were designed to be used and used hard.
NO REGRETS!!!
 
I recently went through the same epiphany that you did, except that I had a 'collection' that began 30 years ago. I have sold and swapped most of these already, except for a few sentimental keepers.

My goal, other than gathering up some extra cash, was to invest in new or used 'working' knives; ones that I could throw in the pack, keep in the truck, or use to gut fish.

As it has turned out, I met my goals with knives from a very limited mumber of makers. My folders are now all Chris Reeve or Strider, with a couple of Emersons thrown in. My fixed blade collection has been reduced to a single well-used Randall #1, plus my small litter of Swamp Rats, which seems to grow almost daily.

All these knives are middle of the road in cost, as compared to true handmade collectibles, but will do the work required of them and not let you down.

These days, it's a pleasure to use my knives daily, wash them off as needed, and touch up the edges now and then. And know that I can repeat this activity for a hundred years and still have a good knife.

The way I look at it now is, 'its a workshop, Jack, not a museum'.

Regards,
Ron
 
I gotta agree with everyone, use them. :) Doesn't mean you should abuse them, but keep them clean, rust free, etc. Nothing wrong with buying a knife or two that you know you won't use (I recently bought a very nice dagger, it's nice but not to useful in life), but for the most part the value should be in getting good use of of your knives. If you're just going to invest and keep it in your safe, but some stocks or savings bonds. :)
 
IMO I think the solution to your dilemma is simple. Gradually sell off your less expensive knives and invest in a stable, albeit a smaller one than you currently have, of high quality knives. Then both the knives you use and the ones you hold on to simply to admire or to appreciate (in the investment sense) are all high quality. If you only have one $300 knife of course there is a tendency to baby it, but if you have five then you don't feel bad about really using two or three, even if you want to preserve a few in pristine condition as an investment. Good luck whatever you decide:)
 
imo i would go through all the knives you have and devide them as best you can into 3 groups: never use/display, light use/prefere not to though, and use/abuse. thats what i do. i have 2 knives that i beat the crap out of when i work with them in the yard and the others are all for display (first 2 groups), though they could do the jobs i use the others for easily. this is just me, but i think that the M16-14D desert knife is a great looker. i know it could do w/e job i have for it, but i choose not to use it. its little bro the M16-10KZ however..........

just my suggestion

hope it helps ya
 
Some people look at it like, "If I spend that much on a knife, I wouldn't want to use it".

Others say "There's no way I'd spend that much on a knife and not use it".

As has been said, it's up to you. Personally, I've come to realize that I'd rather have a few higher-end users than a pile of nothing but cheap knives. There are many good less expensive knives, and there's always a use for a real cheapie, but really good knives are a true pleasure to use.
 
Some people look at it like, "If I spend that much on a knife, I wouldn't want to use it".

Others say "There's no way I'd spend that much on a knife and not use it".

As has been said, it's up to you. Personally, I've come to realize that I'd rather have a few higher-end users than a pile of nothing but cheap knives. There are many good less expensive knives, and there's always a use for a real cheapie, but really good knives are a true pleasure to use.

The FSH is the only knife I have got so far that I do not want to use. Call me crazy , but it's like an 18 year old virgin... and I don't want to ruin it !! ;)
 
Some people look at it like, "If I spend that much on a knife, I wouldn't want to use it".

Others say "There's no way I'd spend that much on a knife and not use it".

I try very hard to fall into that second category. Though, I'll admit that I've been beaten by a few pristine blades -- most of which had monetary values less than my users. Imagine my surprise when I realized that all of my Busse's were users and all my safe queens were Rats!! :eek:

:D :D
 
I have enjoyed making a bunch of Hunter knives.

They are were knives that I made that were meant for action and for being used.
Then this winter I forged thge best blade i ever made. The forge work went as well as I had ever done.
The heat-treatment was flawless.
Truly this was the best and strongest knife I have ever make.

But then I took a deer antler that came from the very last deer my dad ever got to shoot and made a handle from the antler.

This knife now is of such value to me, that I know it will never even be asked to cut a strip of paper....
 
I have enjoyed making a bunch of Hunter knives.

They are were knives that I made that were meant for action and for being used.
Then this winter I forged thge best blade i ever made. The forge work went as well as I had ever done.
The heat-treatment was flawless.
Truly this was the best and strongest knife I have ever make.

But then I took a deer antler that came from the very last deer my dad ever got to shoot and made a handle from the antler.

This knife now is of such value to me, that I know it will never even be asked to cut a strip of paper....

That sounds like it's become an outstanding tribute!! :thumbup:
That's a special one for sure! :cool:
 
I use all my knives.

I have also tried to live by that creed. I have a few that are just so 'purty' that I can't do it -- guess I've still got some weakness to purge out of my soul.

BTW, I would also use your knives. Feel free to send any Busses, Swamp Rats, or Scrap Yard Dogs my way -- I'll happily use them on your behalf. Eventually, I will even return them. If you want, I'll send a progress report back with each one.
 
I have some I have paid 800 for and beat the tar out of...then there are some I have paid less than 200 for and can't bring myself to use.

So in my opinion cost doesn't equal collectible.
 
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