Is the Civilian drilled for tip up carry?

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Just wondering if the Civilian is drilled for tip up carry on the versions currently sold...the pics on New Graham and other sites make it hard to tell.

Thanks.
 
I do believe all the newer Civi's are drilled for tip-up carry, however, only one side of the knife is drilled not both scales. Hope this helps. If nothing else, ask the good folks at New Graham to double check when you order, they are very helpful.
 
Considering the location of the spydie hole, lack of a strong detent, and the length of the handle, I have a hard time imagining the utility of tip up over tip down in this model.
 
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SIRGALANT said:
the civillian was never designed for utility , it was designed for SD
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SirGalant reread carefully, I wasn't saying it was made for utility. I was saying the utility, or usefulness would be lessened if it were tip up.
 
....the utility, or usefulness would be lessened if it were tip up
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Is the handle length and weak detent the primary reason for this or, is some other function compromised also? My one complaint on my Military is that it is tip-down carry only. I want to have it converted to tip-up carry but, if I will be compromising some function then maybe I need to reconsider it.
 
Having had one or two knives come open in my pocket, I am NOT a fan of tip-up carry. In the case of the Civilian, I cannot think of a knife less suited for tip-up than, perhaps, the CUDA MAXX 5.5" or 7" megafolders.
 
A tip up civilian could be waved in some fashion. that would improve it's intended utility
 
A lot of guys like tip up....for a quick draw. I'm not going to rely on a quick draw of a knife in a situation....tip down is my preferred, although tip up seem to sell better in the aftermarket.
 
zenheretic said:
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SirGalant reread carefully, I wasn't saying it was made for utility. I was saying the utility, or usefulness would be lessened if it were tip up.
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oh , ok mate . :)
 
well, FWIW, i very much prefer tip up myself for all my pocket knives, i can just draw them faster, like to have a short lantyard on the end to help me draw(no hole on a police though), it works for me. i prefer it enough that i have several customs (ie crawford kasper, and perfigo, darrel ralph maxx) that i rarely/never carry just because they are tip down, its how i practice drawing and it throws me off.


i have a couple police models and neither of mine is drilled for tip up carry, i have had a couple other ones & they werent either, that said though i know of no reason that they wouldnt work just fine as a tip up, they certainly have enough detent in the action to easily hold it closed imho.

as long as ya can still draw the thing i dont see how the utility is lessened on it myself. personally i would be a lot more inclined to carry my police if it were tip up which would make it have a lot more utility for me.

a waved tip up police would be pretty cool imho.
 
rnhood said:
Is the handle length and weak detent the primary reason for this or, is some other function compromised also? My one complaint on my Military is that it is tip-down carry only. I want to have it converted to tip-up carry but, if I will be compromising some function then maybe I need to reconsider it.
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When the civie was first designed, most if not all spydies were tip down. That is just the way they were, maybe the technology wasn't there for good detents, or maybe Sal thought tip down was the best way...I don't know, I was a snot nosed kid when he started inventing this stuff. :D

If the knife is designed for tip up, I wouldn't worry about it.

It may just be a worry on my end regarding a tip up Civie as well, but let me elaborate a bit. first what I said: "
Considering the location of the spydie hole, lack of a strong detent, and the length of the handle, I have a hard time imagining the utility of tip up over tip down in this model."

The handle/blade is certainly a large piece by most people's standards. The spydie hole is way down on one end. If you make it tip up, the spydie hole will be way down in your pocket. One reason tip up is prefered by some is that they usually state, "tip up allows the fingers to be where they need to be to quickly deploy the knife, and tip down requires a fractional movement for proper blade opening one the knife is drawn from the pocket, this fractional movement takes longer." (less than half a second but ok) It is my theory, due to the geometry of this long skinny knife, with a hole far down one end, that the fractional finger advantage would be lost in tip up. Also the detent is not as strong as tip up models, IMO. This increases the risk of undesired early blade deployment. Your views may vary, just think about it first. ;)
 
The first of these knives where made for tip-down only. The knew ones have holes for tip-up or tip-down.
 
I suppose that they have made the detente stronger in the newer ones with the holes for tip-up. I would hope so.
 
I've never had a problem with tip up carry. If you clip right at the back of your pocket, the edge of your pocket holds the blade closed.
 
Assuming you carry it in a front pocket, that is true. If, on the other hand, you carry it in a back pocket or a leg pocket of cargo or carpenter pants, or IWB, the blade spine will not be against the seam with tip up carry. This could result in becoming an unwilling kidney (or at least blood) donor if the hole snags on something during the draw, a prospect I personally don't find very appealing. Of course, it IS possible that I am the ONLY person who has EVER had a tip up knife come open in a pocket, causing undue paranoia on my part...
Yeah, right :rolleyes:
 
ive had a knife or 2 open up in my pocket and FWIW both were tip DOWN, a spyderco joht singh kalsa and a gunting also, both because of the protruding horn on the blade imho, just wanted to point out that tip ups arent the only ones that will come open on ya.

i carry tip ups almost exclusively the last 2 yrs or so, a emerson custom CQC8, spyderco Ti ATR, emerson I&I tanto, and a strider SnG and SmF and havent had any problems with those in that regard at all, knock on wood lol.

in the right conditions any folder can open up when ya dont want it to.
 
zenheretic said:
When the civie was first designed, most if not all spydies were tip down.
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Don't mean to question your expertise, Zen but my FRN (even the clip) Endura is tip up.... It's pretty old. Early 80s.

Regards,

Ken
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