Is the CKRT Heiho knife legal in NYC?

Hard to tell from skipping thru the vid, but can this knife be opened without using the thumb stud? If it can be opened without using the stud, by any means possible, then it's not legal for carry in NYC. And if the outburst system is re-engageable by any LEOs, then its an automatic no.
 
It only opens with the thumb stud and the outburst can't be reengaged because I took out the retention rod. But if you switch the button on the top forward the lawks system in engaged. Thanks for your reply.
 
I'm not an LEO or lawyer - but from everything I've read, it would still be a somewhat marginal call. That you can't really grab the blade and do the "spydie drop" bodes well. However, depending on the cop who stops you, the fact that you can "flick" the blade out, might be enough to get a summons. I don't think the prosecutor could make it stick in court though. I'm more comfortable with small fixed blades, or of course a SAK. In the current climate, you are taking a chance with any locking blade, I think. The stop and frisk debate has been heating up lately, so I also think the police are going to be more random in their searches to avoid claims of "profiling." So, i'd be very careful until things sort themselves out. Just my $0.02.

Jordan
 
Thank's jnich67 I appreciate the answer, I guess I'm risking it. Also I have the hisshou 13inch blade that I carry to and from my dojo for cutting practice every so often in my backpack. I've noticed that they've been searching bags a lot on my way home from practice. I did some research and asked my sensei if I could get in trouble but the laws seem ambiguous on carrying blades to and from a dojo.
 
I think the safest assumption in New York City is that any and all locking folders are functionally illegal, unless it's something like an Opinel that has a separate function to lock it closed. You might get lucky and the police will tell you to put it away in your backpack on one hand, or they will engage in silly, even outlandish methods to try to get the blade to open via inertia that no sensible person would ever use. The wording of NYC knife law is so vague and open to interpretation that, last I heard, KnifeRights had brought a suit against the Manhattan DA over it.

Be safe, carry a slipjoint :) but make sure it's not visible - a guy on these boards shared his story of getting a summons for an unconcealed SAK a while back :barf:

I live here too, BTW :rolleyes: it ain't easy...
 
Aftermath8p said:
Thank's jnich67 I appreciate the answer, I guess I'm risking it. Also I have the hisshou 13inch blade that I carry to and from my dojo for cutting practice every so often in my backpack. I've noticed that they've been searching bags a lot on my way home from practice. I did some research and asked my sensei if I could get in trouble but the laws seem ambiguous on carrying blades to and from a dojo.
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If I recall, there is a 4" limit in the city. You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with that one because you're training, but again your taking a risk.

Jordan
 
Damn I figured. I just wanted to make sure. I thought I got it right with this folder tho. I've been summoned before after an illegal search in my bag on a different folder which was a "gravity" knife. I also thought there was some kind of allowance if the blade is being used to train with guess not. Guess I'll have to risk it not going to stop training with a real blade after 4 years of boken training. Thanks a lot guys.
 
The knife in the video most likely can be flicked open and therefore would be a gravity knife. Assisted openers have been deemed ( wrongfully so) to be switchblades by the NYPD legal division. You said you removed the "spring" which makes it open via assisted opening, but the knife is pretty much designed as a weapon and therefore could be a "dangerous" knife by design. The 13" blade lenght is in violation of the NYC Admin Code (10-133) but you may fall into the exception if you are going to and from a class....some officers will arrest/summons you anyway and let the judge decide. What happeded with your past summons? Are you sure it was condsidered a gravity knife then? This normal means a formal arrest ( NYPL 265.01) or CPW4 ( same thing different term). Beware if you plead guilty to the misd for a gravity knife, then you now have a criminal record and the next knife arrest will no longer be a misd but a FELONY now, since you would have a past criminal conviction....The best advise is offered about, only carry a small knife, non weapon design, and if it locks, it better not be flickable. If you did plead guilty to the misd, then you will be risking a felony this time around.

Here is a link to both the city and state law. The state law is the one the city enforces in a way that is not clear. The city law is pretty clear. The dangerous knife and gravity knife are both state terms and that is where the issue rests, not the city law.....
http://knife-expert.com/ny.txt
 
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In the republic of nyc where citizens rights are being stripped daily for the illusion of security and to fill the coffers of the city, your knife would be at the discretion of the politician's stormtroopers; the nypd.

If they decide to stop and frisk you and obtain your knife, they can deem it illegal upon their discretion, any further action after that would depend on the officers mood and their imaginary quota. If your are issued a summons and you are before a judge, he or she will tell you to keep the knife at your job or home and of course you will pay a fine. I know this from personal experience when my full size Benchmade Griptillian was confiscated from me while it was clipped to my pocket and i was on a date on 42nd street 4 1/2 years ago.

The current assisted opener problem, all started with manhattan DA cyrus vance's move to extort money from legit business a while back, thats why we can't have any reputable knife companies shipping to nyc anymore. In his bid for cash, he claimed his office was getting flooded with stabbing cases, and that any knife that could be opened with one hand is considered illegal within nyc limits; is this guy for real??? The sad reality is; any blade aficionado worth his or her salt knows these claims to be false and any stabbings that did occur in nyc confines were mostly with kitchen utensils or some other sharp object not a CRKT Heiho or any of my beloved Benchmade's, Spyderco's, SOG's etc...

All this information and more, is readily available as a matter of public record or on good old google.
 
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