Is the Manix 2 XL viable in a tactical/self defense situation...

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Hi, I just started collecting knives again. I just received a Manix 2 XL. It's big! Broad leaf blade (if a bit thin), long blade (3.88 inch S30V), very well made , good hand protection. probably an excellent slicer with grind type (non-saber), quick opener, big belly, sharp, seems strong, gimping, skeletonized liners(!). It does stick out of the pocket a lot --- but few knives are perfect.

It's shaped like a large Cali 1 for the most part. My CONCERN --- the blade shape, especially the POINT might not thrust well and could even break off (big, slim blade). It's certainly not shaped like a paramilitary 2 or tenacious. Certainly not like an Emerson 13 or Recon-1!

Tactical to me means that it can stab and slice effectively if called for. I'd never look for knife fight (I'd pull it and run if surrounded --- it worked for my dad) but one might have to use it and I do have kids. I want an all around knife that can be used tactically if needed.

Thanks very much!
 
Good answer! I just don't know if it would stab you given the point and blade shape :-). Heck, an Endura might stab better (many of my knives were stolen including an Endura). The Manix 2 is well built and surprisingly light. I want my EDC to be tactical if necessary.
 
I don't think I would use any knife in a Sd scenario. I much prefer one of my many handguns. Keep in mind, when using any knife for self defense, it's 90% what you can and cannot do, and the other 10% is the knife/pen/kubotan. You get the idea. You can stab with any knife, it's all about the force of your strike. Consider training and or a handgun for self defense.
 
Good answer! I just don't know if it would stab you given the point and blade shape :-). Heck, an Endura might stab better (many of my knives were stolen including an Endura). The Manix 2 is well built and surprisingly light. I want my EDC to be tactical if necessary.
 
I don't think I would use any knife in a Sd scenario. I much prefer one of my many handguns. Keep in mind, when using any knife for self defense, it's 90% what you can and cannot do, and the other 10% is the knife/pen/kubotan. You get the idea.

Yes, I know. I took a two day course in knife fighting and learned the basics and watched a few good videos (but that's it and not much). I can't carry a gun, baton, or much of anything in my state. I'm also thinking of it as a deterrent.
And, yes, I want the knife to look good and instill some pride of ownership. Among my friends, tactical ability of the blade would be a big positive --- although we'll probably never use it in that way. (The tactical looks of the Emerson 13 really turn me on a bit.) The hobby aspect combined with the practical aspect I guess.

Heck, folders turn me on, and tactical folders turn me on the most. I would probably get some pleasure cutting things for fun and just opening a nice knife while I watch TV. For the latter, auto would be best but may not be legal in my state (ass'ted openings are probably almost as fun). So, the idea of a tactical knife collection, even if left at home is pretty cool.

And I did kill a wild boar once with a large knife. We ate the meat and I mounted the head above the mantle. I agree, knives are not good self-defense weapons in most circumstances but my dad was saved form some hoodlums when he was a bout to be mugged, turned around, showed his blade, they hesitated, and he beat them to his apt.

Thanks!
 
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Since you can't carry a gun, how about a fixed blade? I know you asked for a folder, but if you ever had to use the knife in a sd situation, your stress level can impair your motor skills to such a degree that even trying to open your knife could be a hinderance. I've never had to use a knife in self defense and really hope I never have too, and my first suggestion would be to run like the wind! But I can understand the "last ditch" scenario. If the situation is such that you cannot extricate yourself from it, and all you have is a knife, then you may be forced to use it to try and save yourself, and/or family.

A fixed blade would probably be easier to manipulate. Doesn't have to be a big one and there are plenty of fb's with a 3.75-4.0 inch blade that would be easier to carry than a larger fixed blade.

It would take practice and repetition to condition yourself to draw a knife, fixed or folder, to be able to effectively use it. And if you use it you must be prepared to USE it. You want to stop a situation like this as quickly as possible, and to do that you have to know the "vital points" you need to go for.

In either form I would think you would do well to have a spear point blade, or a clip point blade. As far as folders go you want to make sure it has a sturdy lock so that it would not fold back on you and cut your fingers! Liner locks, framelocks, compression locks, axis locks, ball bearing locks, and others are only as good as the company or person that builds them. So it takes some research to find out which lock you want to go with, and then to find out who builds that lock to work as it should, and do so consistently.

I would think that any blade thickness from 1/8" up to ~3/16" would work as a sd blade, when talking about a blade that is 3.75" to 4.0" in length. As far as using it day to day for other things, then you probably want 1/8" to 5/32" blade as much thicker than that does not make for a good slicer, again when talking about a 3.75" to 4.0" blade. And I just picked this range of length as anything smaller may be able to penetrate clothing, and anything longer may be hard to carry without a lot of the handle sticking out of your pocket, though I can/have carry a HTM Madd Maxx 5.5 folder, with the 5.5 representing a blade length of 5.5", in my right front pocket with none of the handle sticking out due to the deep carry clip!

As far as brands go, again research can help you narrow things down. The Spyderco Manix 2 XL that you asked about looks to be a sturdy knife. A blade length of 3.9" and a blade thickness of 1/8" should be ok, though I did notice you mentioned about the blade being a little thin. I've never used the ball bearing lock, so I can't really comment on it. The Benchmade Axis Lock I have used, and I think the lock is strong and reliable. The knife that I like with this lock is the 275 Adamas. It is a big and strong folder. Blade is about the same length as the Manix 2 XL, but it is thicker at a tad over 5/32", and is a spear point design, saber ground blade, so it is not going to slice as well as the Manix. Another knife I like is the ZT0200 from Zero Tolerance, a division of Kershaw that builds some heavy-duty, rugged, knives. It is a liner lock that is built correctly and has a 5/32" thick X 4.0" blade. There are a lot more good choices out there and things like grip material are another thing you want to look at.

I want to say that I do not have any experience in knife fighting techniques, and all I've done is to read a few articles, so you must take everything I've suggested with a grain of salt. Some of the things I said though seem like common sense to me, but you still need to do your own reading to decide what you want and how to use it. As for me, I'm going to try my best to "run like the wind" and get my fat azz out of there if possible!!

Good luck and let us know what you decide on.

Btw, welcome to Bladeforums!:)
 
I remember reading a thread or post on here about somebody who used their Manix 2 in a SD situation, got attacked by a guy with a tire iron, he stabbed the guy in the side which was enough for the guy to panic and flee, I think as long as your not stabbing with the blade positioned vertically into the rib cage you'd have a problem, people get stabbed with cheap kitchen knives all the time which are a fraction of the thickness/strength of the Manix 2 XL.
 
My CONCERN --- the blade shape, especially the POINT might not thrust well and could even break off (big, slim blade).

Have you seen the Spyderco Police? Its longer and slimmer than the Manix XL, and was designed primarily as a self-defense knife and secondly as a utility knife.

The Manix will have no problem thrusting. Look at it this way...would you want to be at the receiving end of one?
 
Steel is good for self defense... sure guns, sticks or rocks might work, but we carry what we carry.

For those why say knives are no good for SD and that they have their gun, give me your picture and your itinerary, there is no defense against an attacker who is patient and motivated.

This is not a threat, it is an open invitation if I'm around though, paint on a sponge or some other nonsense to simulate an attack.

Threats need to be known to be countered.
 
The bottom line; " I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6". Do whatever you can do to defeat your attacker.
 
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Thanks for all the excellent (and helpful) information. Much wisdom here. It was not my intention to in any way insult/piss off anybody. All of the responses were helpful and interesting in their own way.

All of you seem to be a bunch of smart, helpful guys. Once again, thank you.

Best.
 
I don't think anyone is insulted or pissed.

Good question, without questions General knife discussion would be boring.
 
I don't see anything wrong with with the blade shape of the Manix 2 XL, if it's a defensive situation i'd rather use it than the para-military 2 or tenacious
 
The Manix 2 xl would be fine. The military is meant to be used in the same scenario, if need be. It uses the same materials. Sorry for any odd anomalies in my type, I am currently well beyond drunk.
 
For those why say knives are no good for SD and that they have their gun, give me your picture and your itinerary, there is no defense against an attacker who is patient and motivated.

I'm in your kitchen right now. Come get me. ;)

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Self Defense:
1. Gun
2. 2nd magazine
3. Knife
4. Backup knife

The Manix 2 XL is really good in number 3!

Everyday:
Knife gets used to cut, it works nicely
 
I would suggest that it will work fine...if you are able to pull it out, and use it effectively. Most of this discussion belongs in prac tac.
 
Its the man that makes the. knife not the other way. As many said get trained

You can use an Emerson super commander for example. If untrained and the guy fighting you is good with sticks, he can potentially beat you with a cheap $5 broom stick he picked off the street.
 
I'm also thinking of it as a deterrent.
And, yes, I want the knife to look good and instill some pride of ownership. Among my friends, tactical ability of the blade would be a big positive --- although we'll probably never use it in that way. (The tactical looks of the Emerson 13 really turn me on a bit.) The hobby aspect combined with the practical aspect I guess.

Heck, folders turn me on, and tactical folders turn me on the most. I would probably get some pleasure cutting things for fun and just opening a nice knife while I watch TV. For the latter, auto would be best but may not be legal in my state (ass'ted openings are probably almost as fun). So, the idea of a tactical knife collection, even if left at home is pretty cool.

I think you may have answered your own question right there and not have realized it.

Your 2 days of training aren't going to make much of a difference in a knife fight. And they aren't going to make that knife any more or less effective than any other knife. And the "deterrence" factor is minimal. And unless you are going out of your way looking for SD situations, chances are very likely you wont get into one.

From what you say, it appears what you are really interested in is some crazy, bad-*ss stabinator that would make your buddies think you are a totally awesome high-speed operator and that you would have fun flipping on the couch while watching American Ninja Warrior.

And that's cool. I'd say go over the top and get something with all kinds of scary pointy bits sticking out of it, and skulls on it and whatnot.

You will enjoy it, and that's all that really matters. :thumbup:
 
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