is the ti military a hard use knife

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ginochipchip

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have seen some you tube vids saying that it has small hardwear and is not a hard use folder is this the case ??
 
Spyderco description of the Millie:



A cornerstone in Spyderco's Save and Serve line up, the Military Model came about after someone asked Spyderco's owner Sal Glesser, "If your son were going into the military what folding knife would you send him with?" For certain, it had to meet the requirements of a high-performance, light-weight folder designed for hard use.


Combined with the Ti being impervious to anything the human body can endure, that pretty much says it all in regards to the hard use department IMO.

But maybe You should define, what You perceive as 'hard use?'
 
Ti framelocks aren't as secure as, say, the compression lock or the caged ball lock. Bearing in mind that a knife is a cutting tool for cutting, however, you should be just fine.
 
What they're saying is that the term "hard use" is a bit misleading. Sure, all knives can handle a certain amount of hard use (abuse), but the thing to remember is that a folding knife will always have limitations. Just the same as you wouldn't use a 3 inch fixed blade to cut down a 12" tree, it might not be wise to use a folding knife to cut 2x4's while framing your house. Right tool for the job.
 
dishcore said:
What they're saying is that the term "hard use" is a bit misleading. Sure, all knives can handle a certain amount of hard use (abuse), but the thing to remember is that a folding knife will always have limitations. Just the same as you wouldn't use a 3 inch fixed blade to cut down a 12" tree, it might not be wise to use a folding knife to cut 2x4's while framing your house. Right tool for the job.
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This exactly. :thumbup:
 
Kwon Kwang said:
Ti framelocks aren't as secure as, say, the compression lock or the caged ball lock. Bearing in mind that a knife is a cutting tool for cutting, however, you should be just fine.
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Are you basing your statement about relative strength on the lock strength test thread recently started here?
 
I love the sound my fluted ti makes upon lockup. Seems very robust.
 
From Sal. A very old post:

Military Design

Gene - Thank you. The Military Model was designed to be the "state of the art" Produc tion folder of the time. We believe the 2nd generation version is that. Every one of the many parts in this model was examined and refined. We listen to all of the comments (good and some negative), but our own constant testing enforces our beliefs. We believe that nested liners are more evolved and stronger than separate liners. And more expensive to produce. (Ask for favorite custom maker how much more they will charge you to nest their "full liner" just inside the scale like Spyderco's Military). "Form", in addition to the "pins" create rigidity. It may be possible to "white knuckle" a lock release, but this hasn't happened to our knowledge. Being able to easily close the knife after hard user with gloves on was a major consideration. Any of you that have had a folder lock open and not be able to close it? It's like a chain saw that won't stop...what do you do with it? The new "SecurLok" that Frank Centofante invented is scheduled to be added to the Military Model somethime in '99. This would eliminate the fear of accidental lock release.

The Military Model was not designed as a fighting knife, nor was it designed for suit and tie carry. It was designed to be the most dependable cutting tool accessory a soldier might need while in the "bush". The handle is a little larger to afford the dual grip potential. Design is always a great discussion because there are so many points of view. eg: blades are for cutting, handles are for holding. A 2" blade specifically designed for controlled cutting loses it's ability to control if the handle is only just long enough to cover the blade. Nothing to purchase on. A scalpel is a good example of this. What is the knife designed to do. Look at? by all means, balance the sizes to apperarance, use? tougher problem here. Just one designers point of view. I have avoided responding to this thread as it was my design in question and this was a comparision type question. It would be expected that I would be biased.

sal
 
on_the_edge said:
Are you basing your statement about relative strength on the lock strength test thread recently started here?
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I'm basing my statement on a number of tests I've seen on various locks over the years, including that one. I realize that BHQ's most recent test was not a widly popular one, but tests in which popular things fail rarely are. Regardless, in normal use of a folding knife a lock isn't even necessary.
 
If by "hard use folder" you mean "magic tool that combines brute force and ignorance to simulate skill", then no, it most certainly isn't. Does it magically turn into a full tang fixed blade when it locks open? Nope, it is still a folding knife. Will it break if you do stupid stuff with it? Yep. It isn't a crowbar, or an axe, or a screwdriver, or a hammer, or a shovel or any of the other tools people seem to think knives should be. It is a tool designed to cut things with the force one can apply with one's hand or hands on the handle. It wasn't designed to be beaten with a club, or to be used as a club to beat something else. Just because the metal handle makes it heavy, it doesn't change the blade.
 
i do some camping and fishing and i am a knife nut so i will always have a fixedblade when in the bush i understand hard use is not going through a 2x4 but read some post stating that the bolts used on the scales are small for such a big knife.
i have never destroyed one of my knives yet and i sure i will love this new member to the family .....
spyderco is a great company and i love the knives they produce great fit and finish
thanks for all the reply
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ginochipchip said:
i do some camping and fishing and i am a knife nut so i will always have a fixedblade when in the bush i understand hard use is not going through a 2x4 but read some post stating that the bolts used on the scales are small for such a big knife.
i have never destroyed one of my knives yet and i sure i will love this new member to the family .....
spyderco is a great company and i love the knives they produce great fit and finish
thanks for all the reply
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The Military is plenty tough. I have heard a few folks complain that the hardware is smaller than they would like but I have never heard of anyone actually having any issues with the hardware or build...and there a LOT of folks that use the hell out of the Military day in and day out. The knife is very well made and will last you decades. Fret not.
 
Surfingringo said:
The Military is plenty tough. I have heard a few folks complain that the hardware is smaller than they would like but I have never heard of anyone actually having any issues with the hardware or build...and there a LOT of folks that use the hell out of the Military day in and day out. The knife is very well made and will last you decades. Fret not.
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^^^ Well said
 
Surfingringo said:
The Military is plenty tough. I have heard a few folks complain that the hardware is smaller than they would like but I have never heard of anyone actually having any issues with the hardware or build...and there a LOT of folks that use the hell out of the Military day in and day out. The knife is very well made and will last you decades. Fret not.
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This is how I feel about the Military specifically as well. Very proud to own mine.
 
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