Is the wave function considered an automatic?

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BrandonZ

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I live in Fl. and anything Auto is illegal without a permit so Ive been wondering if the wave function considered an automatic?

Thanks guys.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand about the definition of an automatic knife, it has to include several features.
• blade that is propelled open by a spring
• button or lever that releases the blade, sending it into the open position
Your state may differ... Look up the concealed weapon laws in your state to find out what is classified as a "weapon" per se, which should describe what types of items you may or may not carry. Usually, definitions or descriptions of the prohibited items are provided for the sake of courtroom clarification—you may find the info you're looking for there.
 
Thanks guys. As far as I can tell the blade has to be less than 2.5 in and not contain a spring in Florida. I wish the new CQC-14 was just a bit shorter. :( Does anyone have a suggestion for a 2.5 tactical style knife without a spring? I really would appreciate it.
 
I'd get a CQC-14 anyway, and send it to someone who can take off that .2 inches of blade. There are lots of guys on the forums who can help you out with that type of work.
 
Anything around 4 inches that is not an automatic should be fine, as they do mention that an ordinary pocket knife is not a weapon.

-if anyone ever asked, just tell them it is a utility knife (not a weapon).

-Pocket knives make very poor weapons in any case, if you need a weapon, get a carry permit and a pistol.
 
in ca, the wave is perfectly legal, if carried by an adult. juveniles are prohibited from carrying most knives. here autos are either spring loaded (not assisted), or gravity/inertia driven. also consider ca laws are among the most restrictive in the country, probably the world.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
in ca, the wave is perfectly legal, if carried by an adult. juveniles are prohibited from carrying most knives. here autos are either spring loaded (not assisted), or gravity/inertia driven. also consider ca laws are among the most restrictive in the country, probably the world.
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what is your source of information?
it just doesn't seem logical that the wave is legal but switchblades aren't ...

from the emerson website,
Called the "remote pocket opener" on the Navy issue knives, it has been called the fastest opening knife ever developed. It is actually faster than a switchblade (automatic) knife in that a switchblade has to be taken out of the pocket and then a button pushed to activate the opening sequence.
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I live I Fl too.

PD asked me what the hook ws on my Spyderco Endura4 wave and I told them " Its for bottle caps. "

BUT this came from the same off who said " Cool knife!" when I whipped out my Civilian.

There is no 2.5" law in Fl There is no 4" law in Fl.

EVERY COP CARRIES A BOOK OF STATE STATUTES IN THEIR CAR
DON'T LET THEM BULLY YOU!!!!! MAKE THEM SHOW YOU THE LAW IN THE BOOK!!!!! --

here is a link to state knife laws
http://www.thebladeshop.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=17

Know your rights. Police love to take advantage of people who don't.
I, as a security officer take advantage of people who don't. Its great fun.
 
cdl86 said:
what is your source of information?
it just doesn't seem logical that the wave is legal but switchblades aren't ...

from the emerson website,
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ca penal code 653(k)... switchblade knife means a knife having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a spring blade knife, snap blade knife, gravity knife or any other similar type knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more inches in length and which can be released automatically by a flick of a button, pressure on the handel, flip of the wrist or other mechanical device, or is released by the weight of the blade or by any type of mechanism whatsoever. switchblade knife does not include a knife that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure applied solely to the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to the blade, provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade, or that biases the blade back toward its closed position.

it is not the speed with which one can open the knife that makes it a switch blade, but the mechanism used to open it. the wave is not a mechanism per the definition here, and fits closer to the 'does not' category. waved knives are available all over california and i am not aware of any case law which has challenged the wave.

i dont write the laws bro
 
I got all my info from "Florida Firearms Law, Use & Ownership"
by Jon H. Gutmacher,"

This is required reading when getting a permit in Fl as far as I know.
 
hope there is no problem. like i said california laws are among the most restrictive, so if they are okay here, than i would think they are okay everywhere else. you will love that wave!
 
hm...
the conditions are kind of ambiguous (e.g. many knives can be partially opened with a stud/hole, but then opened with a flick of the wrist)

but you do bring up a good point about the fact that they're widely sold in CA
 
i might even consider printing out that section of the code and carrying it in my wallet, just in case
 
i was discussing this recently with a friend, my interpretation is that 'flick of the wrist' is intended to cover balisongs and the like. if the wrist action is accompanied by using a thumbstud/disc/hole the section does not apply. note the lower portion that addresses thumbstuds and clearly states this is an exception.

HOWEVER, an officer may interpret the law differently, or know very little about the section, and decide to arrest if the knife can be 'flicked' open. again, only my opinion, application of the law in this form is improper, and cant see the charges going anywhere. but that wont mean much when sitting in a jail cell.

the section does have some ambiguities, and is subject to interpretation like most laws. not a bad idea to carry a copy of the section in your wallet, it isnt very long. just make sure you print or photocopy from a reputable source and state your case politely to an officer if questioned. arguing would be a bad route to go, imho.
 
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