is there a difference between carbon fiber and mp45 plastic?

doorkicker · Jun 25, 2005

ok, so i understand that there was some big problem about the stealth hawk and being undetectable b/c it's plastic and all, but why hasnt the G had any problem with the combat elite carbon fiber fixed blade? i dont mean to dime anyone out, but i cant see how this is really different. any thoughts?

GALAXYTECH · Jun 25, 2005

GALAXYTECH · Jun 25, 2005

well,,

I am not sure what you mean as far as being "invisible",, if you mean the newer xray monitors that they use at the airports,,,no, they are not invisible, the way i understand it,,the new deveices at the airports can detect plastics and carbon fiber.

Titanium was once undetectable,,,but with these new devices ,,it is now detectable.

these new xray devices can see anything that you carry with you,,,and it dont have to be metal.

I'm glad I dont fly

KnifeAddictAK · Jun 25, 2005

Again, this is just my opinion.... Why do I keep saying that?

I think that the Stealth Hawk caught a lot of flak because it was out around the time of 9/11 and also was featured on a major news network. Also, the CF dagger is fairly new out and with "beefed up security" (I was around persons in ATL that had lighters beyond security check points) people are not as worried or focused on these such items.

I still think those stealth hawks are sweet. Am I correct in thinking there were two different handle wraps?

GALAXYTECH · Jun 25, 2005

KnifeAddictAK said:
Again, this is just my opinion.... Why do I keep saying that?

I think that the Stealth Hawk caught a lot of flak because it was out around the time of 9/11 and also was featured on a major news network. Also, the CF dagger is fairly new out and with "beefed up security" (I was around persons in ATL that had lighters beyond security check points) people are not as worried or focused on these such items.

I still think those stealth hawks are sweet. Am I correct in thinking there were two different handle wraps?

yes,,some items will pass,,items like a lighter,

but they will FREAK when they see an item resembling a knife of anything that resembles a cutting instrument,, Heck...I remember hearing of a old lady getting hauled of to jail for having a metal type book marker in her bible. I really think they have gone out of control with all this security.

doorkicker · Jun 25, 2005

GALAXYTECH said:
well,,

I am not sure what you mean as far as being "invisible",,

i dont think that i used that word at all...i did however refer to the undetectable issue. i guess i always assumed that the issue of detection and being compromised was if the carrier carried the weapon on their person. that is the method used to bypass metal detectors, correct? as far as imaging goes, i know they will jam anyone for anything resembling a weapon.
but i understand the 9-11 connection, that makes "sense"

Raden · Jun 25, 2005

I think the main reason that the Stealth Hawk caught so much flak is due to one simple fact...... It's without a doubt the toughest Non Metalic Knife ever made! I have owned close to every other non metalic and my Stealth Hawk is stronger than any of them....

Crushenator 500 · Jun 25, 2005

GALAXYTECH said:
Heck...I remember hearing of a old lady getting hauled of to jail for having a metal type book marker in her bible.

wtf...

that's insane

mhawg · Jun 25, 2005

I think that non-metallic, composite blades are now reqired to have a ferrous strip in them so that standard metal detectors will find them.

Dark Nemesis · Jun 25, 2005

Only an idiot would try to carry a non-metallic knife through security. There's no point...added "self-defense"? Come on, get real

Scared of a terrorist trying to hijack a plane? Please, wake up and smell reality

I guarantee the other 139 passengers will have killed the terrorist with their bare hands before you can even shout "Don't panic fellow passengers!! I have outsmarted security and have a knife to defend us"

Crushenator 500 · Jun 25, 2005

Dark Nemesis said:
Only an idiot would try to carry a non-metallic knife through security. There's no point...added "self-defense"? Come on, get real Scared of a terrorist trying to hijack a plane? Please, wake up and smell reality I guarantee the other 139 passengers will have killed the terrorist with their bare hands before you can even shout "Don't panic fellow passengers!! I have outsmarted security and have a knife to defend us"

agreed

Peter La · Jun 25, 2005

Crushenator 500 said:
wtf...

that's insane

Agreed.

I don't really know if this is pertenent but think about it. Everyone has heard of Carbon Fiber and has no problems with it, i.e. hockey sticks, sports equipment and water craft, etc. Now if you use something called MP45 then people automatically think "secret", "danger", "stealthy" and thus brinhgs a lot more attention to itself. MP45 sounds a lot more "tactical" than carbon fiber.

Crushenator 500 · Jun 25, 2005

Peter La said:
Agreed.

I don't really know if this is pertenent but think about it. Everyone has heard of Carbon Fiber and has no problems with it, i.e. hockey sticks, sports equipment and water craft, etc. Now if you use something called MP45 then people automatically think "secret", "danger", "stealthy" and thus brinhgs a lot more attention to itself. MP45 sounds a lot more "tactical" than carbon fiber.

That, and do a google image search for mp44..

Peter La · Jun 25, 2005

Crushenator 500 said:
That, and do a google image search for mp44..

Peter La · Jun 25, 2005

Dark Nemesis said:
Only an idiot would try to carry a non-metallic knife through security. There's no point...added "self-defense"? Come on, get real Scared of a terrorist trying to hijack a plane? Please, wake up and smell reality I guarantee the other 139 passengers will have killed the terrorist with their bare hands before you can even shout "Don't panic fellow passengers!! I have outsmarted security and have a knife to defend us"

I agree with you DN but the problem is their are many idiots in our world, only they don't have the interests of the passenegers in mind.

WTFOver · Jun 26, 2005

Not too sure where the whole "Problem with plastic issue" came from but JErry had posted the following in the past:

The Stealth Hawks were introduced in 1992 and were discontinued due to our inability to get anymore of the elusive MP45 material. It was manufactured for us by a small plastics maker who specialized in "hand lay-up" plastics. Each sheet was individually made by hand. The one polymer that was used dates back quite a while and was considered to be out of date. Only one factory still made it and the EPA whacked them. Apparently the fumes that were emitted during manufacture were considered to be carcinogenic. The cost of upgrading the facility to fall within EPA guidelines would have been far too expensive to afford. They decided to shut the facility down and with it, went one of the primary ingredients of MP45. Shomertec bought nearly all remaining stores of these awesome blades. We did keep some of the material for customs including a custom sword that was made approx. three years ago. There have been some custom pieces out of this material including a BAT Stealth Hawk. . . very cool piece. They sold for $225.00.

These do not carry the standard Busse Guarantee against any and all Major damage. It's that whole plastic material thing. However, we do offer a free replacement when the knife is used to save a life. We have honored this more than several times. These knives have been there for many law enforcement and military personnel when they needed them most.

I wouldn't recommend it for scuba applications if the intent is to cut monofilament line. It will more likely hang up in the teeth rather than be cut. However, for light prying and digging it can be very effective.

It was originally designed for bomb squads who were worried about magnetism and spark generation. It was quickly adopted by many undercover "buy and bust" teams who were being run down with metal detectors by the drug dealers who were in search of guns and or badges. The Stealth Hawk soon gained a reputation as the best choice as the last line of defense against the bad guys. At 2.5 Ounces it could be easily carried and concealed.

In performance tests, we were able to pound the Stealth Hawk through car doors and 55 gal. steel drums. We pounded it through 6"x6" wooden beams and cut or tore through 17 pieces of 1/2" hemp rope. We then flexed it in a vise up to 20 degrees and it returned to true. No other plastic knife could come close to doing any one of these tests . . . . Awesome performance! Shomertec has some left, but they have been blowing off of the shelf since they were featured in the Los Angeles Times article on October 18th.

They are priced at $137.00. A Kydex sheath with no metallic fasteners is extra.