Is there a USA made equivelant to VG10?

Aluminum... seriously tho I hate vg10 and I see it on par with 8cr13mov in my usage. I don't get the hype behind this steel, that's why I bought zdp endura and delica.
 
Jastab said:
Aluminum... seriously tho I hate vg10 and I see it on par with 8cr13mov in my usage. I don't get the hype behind this steel, that's why I bought zdp endura and delica.
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Not sure is you are trolling but in my experience VG-10 holds a much better edge and is easier to sharpen than 8CR13.
 
VG 10 in my opinion takes a very sharp edge. It gets "sticky" to the touch when sharpened. I think it's great for EDC use
 
Jastab said:
Aluminum... seriously tho I hate vg10 and I see it on par with 8cr13mov in my usage. I don't get the hype behind this steel, that's why I bought zdp endura and delica.
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I'd hazard a guess and say it's because of Spyderco's affinitiy for it. Helps that Spyderco heat treats well. I've never used either, but looking at the composition they don't seem like two vastly different beasts to me either.
 
I used to be a fan, but I find vg10 is one of the worst for wire burrs...and a real pain to remove. other than that i like it enough, but there are many others steels ill take over it.
 
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Cpm 154 is sort of similar compositionaly, but it performs better in my experience.
 
Bushido185 said:
Not sure is you are trolling but in my experience VG-10 holds a much better edge and is easier to sharpen than 8CR13.
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Ni I'm not trolling, I cut thick plastic bands at work at least 10-20 times a day. In my use, vg10 sucked at holding an edge. It can take a screaming edge, but can't hold it that well. I will take 154cm any day of the week over vg10.
 
The closest thing to VG-10 would be Bohler N690, not a US steel though.
 
I think companies that are typically looking for a mid-grade steel with similar characteristics to VG10 would generally use 154CM if they needed American-made. They are somewhat different in composition, but I find that they both hold an edge very well, are easy to sharpen, and are pretty rust-resistant, to about the same degree. Better that AUS8/8cr, not as good as S30V or anything higher end
 
There is a problem with Chinese made steel [and other things] .If you have the original non-chinese versions of the steels mentioned you'd have a different opinion.I have early knives of VG10. N690,AUS8, and 154CM and they make fine blades.
 
Jastab said:
Ni I'm not trolling, I cut thick plastic bands at work at least 10-20 times a day. In my use, vg10 sucked at holding an edge. It can take a screaming edge, but can't hold it that well. I will take 154cm any day of the week over vg10.
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154cm only has minor edge retention over VG-10. Basically, you are asking the steel to do too much. VG-10 is not a steel known for super edge retention, it is known for being incredibly well rounded. If you want something g that can cut plastic ties look at something like S30V or D2. Those steels are known for holding an edge for a long time, and unlike super steels don't cost an arm and a leg to get a hold of.
 
dkb45 said:
154cm only has minor edge retention over VG-10. Basically, you are asking the steel to do too much. VG-10 is not a steel known for super edge retention, it is known for being incredibly well rounded. If you want something g that can cut plastic ties look at something like S30V or D2. Those steels are known for holding an edge for a long time, and unlike super steels don't cost an arm and a leg to get a hold of.
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I'd agree with that. While vg-10 is fine for hard use, it would not be my preference. I consider it an "EDC steel". I consider harder steels with better edge retention to be "work steel" that I will not have to bother with for a few days to weeks.

However, I can say that I have consistently used vg-10 for 12.5 hour periods on rolls of paper, thick cardboard tubes, thick woven plastic belts for huge paper machines, zip ties on chemical totes, the very thick plastic of the chemical totes themselves, wood, etc. All in the same day, and I didn't have to do anything but touch my edge up after work. VG-10 is an all day steel that will require maintenance at the end. Something like S30V is what I'd call an all week steel. If that puts my opinion into perspective.
 
Jastab said:
Ni I'm not trolling, I cut thick plastic bands at work at least 10-20 times a day. In my use, vg10 sucked at holding an edge. It can take a screaming edge, but can't hold it that well. I will take 154cm any day of the week over vg10.
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I'm not trying to argue with you, or trying to change your mind, nor do I know exactly what you mean by "plastic bands" (I'm assuming something like HVAC/flexi-cuff "zip ties"). But if your blade (Spyderco?) can't hold an edge for just 15 or 20 of those bands I would venture to guess when your sharpening your not knocking the burr all the way off and you have a wire edge on the blade.
 
Cereal_killer said:
I'm not trying to argue with you, or trying to change your mind, nor do I know exactly what you mean by "plastic bands" (I'm assuming something like HVAC/flexi-cuff "zip ties"). But if your blade (Spyderco?) can't hold an edge for just 15 or 20 of those bands I would venture to guess when your sharpening your not knocking the burr all the way off and you have a wire edge on the blade.
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Also possible. We don't know how the OP is sharpening. Maybe he has a Spyderco profiled to a zero edge, or he doesn't go to high grits and leaves what would be a working edge on other steels. Maybe he is leaving the burr.

It is also possible that he got a bad HT. It does happen, it is just unlikely. I have had a few knives with bad HT on the edge, and one of them got better as I took a little steel off with sharpening (just the edge was burned).
 
Cereal_killer said:
I'm not trying to argue with you, or trying to change your mind, nor do I know exactly what you mean by "plastic bands" (I'm assuming something like HVAC/flexi-cuff "zip ties"). But if your blade (Spyderco?) can't hold an edge for just 15 or 20 of those bands I would venture to guess when your sharpening your not knocking the burr all the way off and you have a wire edge on the blade.
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I'd guess it would be more not properly micro beveling a thin edge. That would lead to a lot of rolling/micro chipping in cutting harder things.
 
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