Is there an affordable new knockoff of the R4593?

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Something about the shape of the R4593 does it for me.

And, who knows, with $12 muskrats I might start again.

I have an Old Timer 770T but I'm not sure about the blades shape or the angle they sit at. I kinda see the point but it's not what I used back when I used to use-up knives like these.

For my next go-round I think a shape like the R4593 is what I want. So is a knockoff out there with decent metal that I can use hard and maybe lose and maybe buy more than one of?

I like the 2 identical blades, always did.

I'm no knife expert -- I never have used the other 2 blades of a 3-blade pocketknife much. I suppose the Sheepsfoot has come in handy on occasion for gutting a deer with knife held inside the cavity -- that blade won't puncture anything. Not sure I've ever used the Spey. But both are darn rarely used. Yet they so often take up so much real-estate. Do some of you use them often?
 
From a quick google search of the model number and included the word knife it seems to be an old Remington Muskrat.
 
Cheap muskrat? Look at Rough Rider. Alternatives? Pretty much every company that has made traditional knives.
 
The Remington is scarce and, what, $100. Rough Rider is, what, $5. Is there a Rem knockoff that is a quality knife? Schrade cheaper not Rough Rider cheaper. As per my reference to other Muskrats, I don't just want any old Muskrat but one in the Rem style and blade shape. Are they out there? It doesn't have to be brand new. But a cheaper model that was like it at some time. As I said, my Old Timer 770T has blade shape and angle to the handle that I don't like. (Is there a benefit to having a blade tilt/point/droop downward from a handle? I suppose you can put your finger on top of it easier. I suppose a little downward angle is OK.)
 
Ironic thing is, the Rough Rider is at least as good - if not better - than the new Schrades. I will do a quick look for a cigar handled muskrat like the Rem and see what I can find for ya.
 
I would take a Rough Rider over a new Schrade any day of the week. Not that the new Schrades are any better or worse than a Rough Rider, but because the Rough Riders are a good value and aren't trying to make money off of the name of a defunct American Company. Rough Rider at least went and picked a unique name.
 
I know they're not cheap but have you looked at the GEC #81 Coon Skinner? I'm not a muskrat guy but these look close to the pattern you're looking for. The golden rod micarta can be had in the low 80s shipped from GEC's current dealers. http://greateasterncutlery.net/blog/patterns/81-coon-skinner/
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stevomiller said:
Ironic thing is, the Rough Rider is at least as good - if not better - than the new Schrades. I will do a quick look for a cigar handled muskrat like the Rem and see what I can find for ya.
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Whoops, was on the phone earlier and didn't research the knife that you were asking about. I just assumed it was one of the Camillus made Remingtons with the cigar/equal end shape handle ~ now I see it isn't. Hmmm, will keep looking for a lower cost alternative.
 
It's more the blade shape than the handle. I had a Rough Rider 10 yrs ago and it fell apart. I had a couple of them, all got loose. Maybe they're better now. I'll take a look. Or maybe Schrade is far worse than it was!
 
I like the idea of American made knives continuing to be produced. I looked at the new Schrades, Rough Rider, etc, when I got back into traditionals recently and they are better than the Chinese imports from years back but a nice Case or GEC is definitely worth the extra money, both in outright quality and pride of ownership. I sold some moderns and, after some soul searching, decided to buy Case, GEC and Canal Street knives and am quite happy with them all. A little search time should show several options in quality muskrat patterned knives in or very close to your budget.
 
I'd suggest searching around for a Utica KutMaster brown bone handled Muskrat.

They were well made, they have square bolsters like the Remington and the blade shapes are very similar.

"KutMaster" does not command premium values, so you could probably snag a nice one for a reasonable price. You won't get one for five dollars, but it would be much less expensive than the R4593.
 
JeffOYB said:
As per my reference to other Muskrats, I don't just want any old Muskrat but one in the Rem style and blade shape.
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So, by my understanding you're looking for the really skinny, low profile blades, without the pronounced clip.

Camillus made them that way. Look for a USA made one from 2007 or earlier. You'll probably have to settle for delrin handles. It won't be dirt cheap, but unless you're trigger happy on an overpriced "Buy It Now" auction, it shouldn't break the bank. I'd stay away from the new ones made in China.

Utica makes them with very skinny blades, and you can find them for $30 or so with bone handles. I can't comment on quality though.

Queen makes/made muskrats of a few different varieties. Some have 1 spring, some have 2, some have typical clip blades, and some have the lower-profile ones you're looking for. Also look for Queen-made Robeson and Schatt and Morgan trademarked knives. These'll be significantly more expensive though.
 
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