Is this a damascus steel sword??

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My father just gave this talwaar to me he didnt know how old it was since it had been there since my grandfathers time can someone tell me something about the sword. Would be really grateful. Also noticed that the other swords kept with this started rusting but this had no rust at all what i find weird is that the blade doesnt have the wootz/damascus design.
 
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Welcome aboard

It appears to me to be a modern "Damascus" tourista type of sword. Aka souvenir. It may have been found while traveling, or a flea narket/shop, or even from a magazine ad.

The steel is a folded steel pattern that has been etched. The pattern is pretty tight, to simulate cast steel but I don't believe it is. The hilt and scabbard, along with how they ground the edge all point to it being fairly recent (mid-later 20th century).

You may want to post it up for critique at this forun for confirmation but you can find similar swords now from shops in India. Nice decorators.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?147-Middle-East-India-amp-Africa-(MEIA)

Cheers

GC
 
Thanks for the recommendation although i find it hard to believe that replicas for damascus were made in that age so hoping this sword is worth something.
 
I also believe it is a wootz blade. Looks to me like a good quality, possibly older tulwar from India. I would think it has some significant value. Some one has kept it in excellent condition. Just a light coating of oil is all it needs (not too much or it will run into the scabbard). Nice sword. I have two old tulwar both with damascus blades, but neither as nice as yours. I would tend to date it late 19th to early 20th C. It is just too good to be a tourist item.
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Yes not trying to act cool but i come from an old family of warriors and just got this sword so really excited but was just wandering why the blade part doesnt have that pattern?
 
The sharpened edge doesn't show the patterning due to its sharpening. If the edge were to be etched (don't do it), it would also show the wootz pattern IMHO. Both of my tulwar (both mechanical folded damascus, show the same effect on the edge due to the sharpening). If you want really detailed info, I suggest trying this forum. Lots of real sword scholars on it who know their swords.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/


Rich
 
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Yes do post to boards with more eyes on these. Do post pictures of the hilt from all angles, especially te end (which lends me to think the capstan is threaded).

What I don't see of this sword is anything aside from a flat and uniform billet and the edge ground as it is. I am also not seeing the matrix of dendrites but my eyes are not as good as clear magnification. What I would hope to see of the ground edge is a kind of sparkly look. I have a Turkish blade that is low grade cast and the dendrites quite visible when zoomed in. . I have an 1805ish British sword that is cast steel (refined shear steel) and has a similar sparkly look as polished back then.

I am sure Rich has seen hundreds of Japanese blades with differing hada for every wootz blade I have ever viewed, so I am certainly open to being wrong in what I see. Even the thread I linked in another thread shows some wootz blades that look like this blade.

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Cheers

GC
 
While I hope I'm correct on this sword; I stand to be educated. Divyraj - please post any info you get from Vikingsword so we can all learn.

Rich
 
To register on vikingsword i had to send an email so still waiting i did post it on SBG sword forum with 2 people saying its wootz and one saying its "folded weld steel" (didnt get that). Will keep updating👍
 
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Do register and post it at the link I posted
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?147-Middle-East-India-amp-Africa-(MEIA)

and www.myarmoury as well and you will have covered two more bases.

Fold welded is the same thing as what I mentioned as folded steel. When I open your blade image in another tab and at full size, I seem to see the layers showing at the ground edge.

The informative thread I had posted in another discussion here has examples of both modern and antique wootz.. These are the guys I would defer to. The Vikingsword site as well, much the same crowd and worth hearing from. Indeed the more sources you visit, the more eyes will see it.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?86871-modern-wootz-and-best-antique-wootz-ever

Cheers

GC
 
Thanks for the help and recommendations will try these forums as well. Fauladi was mostly used by Rajputs and the fauladi talwaars were made in sirohi their blacksmiths were famous and they only passed on their knowledge to the sons and so on thats why this art is now lost but the sirohi sword replicas are still found in rajasthan.
 
I can't make out enough detail to give any opinion. Although the condition of that piece makes me reluctant to give it any significant age estimates.
 
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I can't make out enough detail to give any opinion. Although the condition of that piece makes me reluctant to give it any significant age estimates.
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Make sure to open forum images in another tab to see the full size images.

Cheers

GC
 
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