Is this guy crazy or not? I'm thinking not, but what do I know?

Hashishiin

Hashishiin

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I was under the impression you could absolutely put an edge on a knife like this on a sharpmaker. I am just barely understanding that you can put the microbevel on w/ the sharpmaker, so... I am obviously of limited knowledge, but every single comment goes after him for being an idiot and destroying both the rod and knife, when it seems like he was successful in his task. What say you guys? I was thinking the only reason putting a new edge on something with the SM was not recommeded was it took longer, but I thought this circular motion could be done on the 30 degree setting to establish the main bevel?
 
I would not let this guy anywhere near my things.

You do not do this with an expensive sharpening system like that (yes I know that a lot of people spend way more on whetstones, but that's not the point). You do this with a cheap stone that you don't care about. That's one thing wrong with what he's doing. The other thing is that he should not be impatiently trying to speedrun his way through reprofiling an edge in the first place. What a tool this guy is.

This is also proof that this type of preset angle sharpener can be effectively used by any @#%-hat neanderthal, which is actually not a bad thing. It's almost idiot proof.
 
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Just my opinion - He’s dramatically shortened the life of the “stones” or Rod , or triangle ( whatever they call it ). The first 15 seconds is all I watched. That tool works well to maintain a sharp edge, after you’ve mastered the learning curve. Use the flats on the tip only and try not to let the blade slide off the side ( immediately blunts and eventually rounds the tip ).

Also, I’m not a master at all, not even close. Im sure one out there could reprofile a knife on that system.. it might take 6 weeks though.

Edit - watched a little more. There are far better tutorials on this system - has to be. That knife is going to have the most wonky scratched up uneven relief / primary edge.
 
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the bevel will look scratched up i guess and he's ruining the stone. but he knows what he's doing, he's definitely an experienced belly. got it sharp with coarse stones. that's good enough for setting an example on the youtubes, in my books.

got a clear thumbs up from my part!
 
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Might not be doing as much damage to the rods as one might think. I say this, because it looks like he's not exerting so much pressure that the stones might be damaged - his grip on the handle doesn't look like the sort of 'white knuckle death grip' I'd expect to see, if he was really leaning into it. With the relatively light hold he keeps on the handle, the blade would be twisted out of his hand if he were really leaning into it. I was expecting to see worse, based on the earlier comments from others - but it didn't look so bad as I would've expected.

As for his apparent sharpening knowledge & freehand technique/touch, the resulting edge he gets doesn't lie, producing a pretty good newsprint slicing/push-cutting edge straight off the diamond rods. And he describes the process comparably to what I'd expect to hear from an experienced sharpener.

The scrubbing technique on the Sharpmaker has been demo'd in videos here on BF before, though I've only yet seen that with the ceramic rods. With an experienced hand, it can work well on any hone or stone. I do something similar when using diamond hones or other stones to set new bevels. And on very small hones like the SM rods, or with pocket sharpeners, that scrubbing technique really speeds the pace of metal removal. But it's awkward if one hasn't done it before and will produce nasty results (edge-rounding, big time) if the feel hasn't been acquired for detecting consistent contact with the bevels and the apex.
 
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Its a stone... they are made to grind... he is not hurting anything. He is however using an advanced technique of scrubbing that is more often regulated to flat and wide stones where it is actually very useful. The lack of control is also a problem and will show in the final edge but what he really is doing is speeding up the process so it doesn't take so long.

Overall, I would recommend using the proper tool for any job and if you need to reprofile a knife use a large flat stone or you will end up like this guy. This is called "making due with what you have".
 
One thing I noticed in the Youtube comments on this video I noticed how judgemental they were.His results spoke for itself.I have always heard on here that outcome was more important than technique.I use the same procedure,albeit, slower and more studied.
 
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This 60 dollar 2 diamond rod set is doing nothing with 420, 440C, VG10, 154CM, N680 / 690, etc, than can be accomplished with Congress Moldmaker SIC, Idahone's coarse rods, or repurposed diamond stones already on hand n some 2 sided sticky tape, at half the price or less.
His technique should not wear the diamonds out if he used a light hand which is what it looks like. Kitchen knife looks sharp enough for food prep.
 
Hashishiin said:

I was under the impression you could absolutely put an edge on a knife like this on a sharpmaker. I am just barely understanding that you can put the microbevel on w/ the sharpmaker, so... I am obviously of limited knowledge, but every single comment goes after him for being an idiot and destroying both the rod and knife, when it seems like he was successful in his task. What say you guys? I was thinking the only reason putting a new edge on something with the SM was not recommeded was it took longer, but I thought this circular motion could be done on the 30 degree setting to establish the main bevel?
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thats painful to watch
 
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thats painful to watch
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Yeah man - THAT'S some precision grinding skills right there LOL. He needs to go back and learn WAX ON! WAX OFF! again. I never understood the popularity of the whole rod idea. My Grandfather taught me to hand hone knives and chisels and skews and we didn't have no rods back in those days - we had a box of stones and steady hands and early morning sunlight and a wood stove with a coffepot on it. I can still smell that stove and all the linseed oil he used. It was heaven for a young guy.
 
It’s a kitchen knife.

I wouldn’t sharpen a nice pocket knife like that, but I don’t see anything wrong with the technique for a quick reprofiled edge.

I’ve sharpened many knives in a similar manner, although I rarely use my Spyderco rods anymore.

Scrubbing is great!
 
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Yeah man - THAT'S some precision grinding skills right there LOL. He needs to go back and learn WAX ON! WAX OFF! again. I never understood the popularity of the whole rod idea. My Grandfather taught me to hand hone knives and chisels and skews and we didn't have no rods back in those days - we had a box of stones and steady hands and early morning sunlight and a wood stove with a coffepot on it. I can still smell that stove and all the linseed oil he used. It was heaven for a young guy.
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yeah im not a rod sharpener either. pocket stone for me in the field. i can scrub sometimes but i keep the angle pretty low and alot more consistant. it looks like this method is alot more loose and sloppy till he gets to his finer controlled strokes at the end
 
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