I decapitate a lot of fish while cleaning them instead of filleting during camping trips. I was wondering about the BM710HS AXIS M2 STEEL (PLAIN) and how cutting through a fish as thick as my forearm would affect the finish. I could get the normal finish but I dig the black, any thoughts? My other choice is the Spyderco military w/ the black plain blade.
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Is Zylan toxic for food prep like teflon?
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Chanceum,
Please post your question in one forum only.
Posting the same question in multiple forums takes up server space.
BTW I answered this question in the General Discussion forum, which is probably the correct place for it.
If you place the question in the wrong forum, the moderators will move it.
Thanks and welcome to Bladeforums (even if I do seem a bit grumpy)
Please post your question in one forum only.
Posting the same question in multiple forums takes up server space.
BTW I answered this question in the General Discussion forum, which is probably the correct place for it.
If you place the question in the wrong forum, the moderators will move it.
Thanks and welcome to Bladeforums (even if I do seem a bit grumpy)
First I Was Told It's In The Wrong Place, And The Second Question Wasn't Answered- Whether Or Not Cutting Through The Spine Of A Fish Would Damage The Finish And If Scratched Zylan Is Toxic For Food Prep. Also I'm Not Sure How To Delete My Posts Or I Would. I'd Feel A Bit More Welcome If You'd Stay Off My A**.
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Why not ask the folks that make the stuff or at least apply it to various items?
Here is a link:
info@icstechnologies.com
They should be able to answer your question with authority.
James
Here is a link:
info@icstechnologies.com
They should be able to answer your question with authority.
James
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On a different matter, is starting every word with a capital a form of aggression (as per all caps), or have you always typed like that?
Just wondering...
Just wondering...
I looked them up previously but they sell coatings so it's not like there going to say their product is toxic if scratched. It's on the box when you buy pots and pans to replace when scratched but they don't just come out and say it. Thanks for your help!
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I think you'll find that displaying that kind of attitude towards someone who is trying to help you is not beneficial, nor is it conducive to gaining a positive reputation here.
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You are welcome.
They can not afford to tell you it is non-toxic if it is, HUGE liability in lying and causing harm. So what is the harm in asking? BTW, BF is a nice place, but you will be better off as a newbie by not taking on an attitude. Thank the guy for pointing out you posted twice, rather than telling him off. You will earn more friends that way, rather than starting off with an attitude.
Just my two cents, BTW, Welcome to the forums,
James
The only reason I said anything derogatory towards you is that you made the same comment on each my first two posts in a condescending manner, when I was merely trying to post my questions in the correct place. I tried to delete the other question after I re-posted but it wouldn't let me. Please accept my sincere apologies for my mistakes as I am not familiar how posts and or forums work. I just registered to find out some info about a couple knives...
Check the link, this is just the first thing I found, I'm sure there's a lot more articles http://www.apfn.org/apfn/teflon.htm
I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about Xylan
I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about Xylan
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Teflon , as in cooking pots, is not a problem unless you overheat it !! Teflon insulation on wiring can put out nasty stuff in a fire. But teflon pots are now in their forth generation at least and there aren't any real problems. For a knife coating s are not in contact with food very long and don't see any heat I doubt you could see any transfer of any compound !...If you're worried about ingesting chemicals there are many other sources to seriously be concerned !!
Well, to approach your question from the other end. The coated Military is coated with DLC, which is very hard and won't come off, unless you attack it with an abrasive (like when slipping during sharpening).
I am not sure, but from what I have been able to gather, Zylan is nothing but a different brand name for Teflon. They are probably very similar if not identical, chemically.
As to your concerns about Teflon: Teflon itself is a Fluoro terminated polymer and as such incredible inert. I would be surprised if it will ever found to be toxic. All the articles that I have been able to find about the toxicity of Teflon have been very unscientific and have not offered any explanation to the mechanism by which it is supposed to act toxic. Again, from what I can gather, when heated, a teflon film will give off particles. This is not surprising, the same happens with ordinary glass, when heated to a very high temperature. The particles will clog the lungs and are therefore harmful. For glass this is described by the term "silicosis". However, again, the material - glass - itself is not toxic, but the fine dispersion of an inert material cloging your lungs is - obviously - harmful. I would suspect the same is the case with Teflon. As long as you don't heat it (which I hope you will never do with your knife blade - supposedly Teflon is giving of the Teflon flu substance at temperatures as low as 285 F which is still enough to draw the temper from your knife eventually) the coating should not represent a threat. The other claims of toxicity are linked to ammonium perfluorooctanoate (C-8) which is not Teflon but used in the production of teflon, big difference. How much C-8 is left in the final bladecoating, I have no way of knowing.
While your general concern is probably justified (personally I would never own teflon coated pots or pans), I doubt that your knifebladecoating represents any health threats. Just my $0.02.
I am not sure, but from what I have been able to gather, Zylan is nothing but a different brand name for Teflon. They are probably very similar if not identical, chemically.
As to your concerns about Teflon: Teflon itself is a Fluoro terminated polymer and as such incredible inert. I would be surprised if it will ever found to be toxic. All the articles that I have been able to find about the toxicity of Teflon have been very unscientific and have not offered any explanation to the mechanism by which it is supposed to act toxic. Again, from what I can gather, when heated, a teflon film will give off particles. This is not surprising, the same happens with ordinary glass, when heated to a very high temperature. The particles will clog the lungs and are therefore harmful. For glass this is described by the term "silicosis". However, again, the material - glass - itself is not toxic, but the fine dispersion of an inert material cloging your lungs is - obviously - harmful. I would suspect the same is the case with Teflon. As long as you don't heat it (which I hope you will never do with your knife blade - supposedly Teflon is giving of the Teflon flu substance at temperatures as low as 285 F which is still enough to draw the temper from your knife eventually) the coating should not represent a threat. The other claims of toxicity are linked to ammonium perfluorooctanoate (C-8) which is not Teflon but used in the production of teflon, big difference. How much C-8 is left in the final bladecoating, I have no way of knowing.
While your general concern is probably justified (personally I would never own teflon coated pots or pans), I doubt that your knifebladecoating represents any health threats. Just my $0.02.
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Teflon is not toxic!!!! The chemicals used in making it are. Using this logic would mean that table salt is toxic because Sodium and Chlorine are poisonous. People with industrial exposure to the manufacturing process have developed problems. Workers exposed to paint fumes also have health problems. The auto they painted on does not become a health problem. Finished Teflon is inert unless you heat it to a point of decomposition. Half truths always seem to have "legs" on the INTERNET and in the media. My wife was about to throw out all our Teflon after emails from her drama queen friends who knew a friend of a friend.... who was poisoned by Teflon. In my opinion Zylan on a knife would not pose any health problems.
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Second quote is from your other thread.
Missed a question. Over time the finish will be scratched.
zman308: I general I would agree with you, and in particular I agree with you on the knifecoating issue. I have used Teflon professionally because of its extreme chemical inertness. However, two of your assertions do not seem to be correct from what I have been able to find out quickly (This is by the way something I was not aware of either before this thread came along):
a) Teflon was tested to give off a substance (which I take to be a form of an aerosol very similar to the threatening glass aerosol in the case of silicosis) at about 300 F, far below the point of decomposition. I have not been able to figure out for sure but the description that I have read seems to fit.
b) People unrelated to the manufacturing process of Teflon have apparently also been tested positive for C-8, the substance that is currently under suspicion to be harmful. This makes me wonder, how much C-8 remains in the final teflon product (unintentionally trapped in the manufacturing process). I would suspect in a chunk of Teflon or a relatively thick film like a blade coating, not much. On coated textile fibers probably more, but I don't know, and I wouldn't know how to find out.
Again, personally, I would see the whole Teflon issue something to be aware of but for someone not involved in the manufacturing process nothing to panic over. Though, again, personally I will pay a little bit more attention in the future to how high I heat Teflon. I had been glassblowing for years before I learned about silicoses, now I am just a bit more careful to ensure proper ventilation, I think the same seems prudent with heating Teflon.
a) Teflon was tested to give off a substance (which I take to be a form of an aerosol very similar to the threatening glass aerosol in the case of silicosis) at about 300 F, far below the point of decomposition. I have not been able to figure out for sure but the description that I have read seems to fit.
b) People unrelated to the manufacturing process of Teflon have apparently also been tested positive for C-8, the substance that is currently under suspicion to be harmful. This makes me wonder, how much C-8 remains in the final teflon product (unintentionally trapped in the manufacturing process). I would suspect in a chunk of Teflon or a relatively thick film like a blade coating, not much. On coated textile fibers probably more, but I don't know, and I wouldn't know how to find out.
Again, personally, I would see the whole Teflon issue something to be aware of but for someone not involved in the manufacturing process nothing to panic over. Though, again, personally I will pay a little bit more attention in the future to how high I heat Teflon. I had been glassblowing for years before I learned about silicoses, now I am just a bit more careful to ensure proper ventilation, I think the same seems prudent with heating Teflon.