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by your government. :)

Hats banned from Yorkshire pubs over CCTV fears
By Paul Stokes

Pubs in Yorkshire have been ordered to ban people from wearing flat caps or other hats so troublemakers can be more easily recognised.
The Park Hotel in Wadsley, Sheffield, is the latest to be asked to impose the rule by senior police officers.

Mark Kelly, the landlord said: "Police asked us to ensure that everyone removes headgear.

"With pensioners, by the time they sit down their hats always come off anyway because they were brought up with manners so usually take their hats off indoors."

The measure, designed to prevent people from obscuring their faces from CCTV cameras, has been questioned by Barnsley's former Test umpire Dickie Bird, 75, well-known for his favoured white flat cap.

He said: "Asking a Yorkshireman to take off his flat cap -- whoever heard of anything so silly.

"It's a Yorkshire tradition, men wearing flat caps. Although youngsters don't bother these days, older men still wear them and should be allowed to continue.

"I still wear a flat cap when I go out shopping and often leave it on when I get home and end up sitting watching TV with my cap on They look smart and they keep your head nice and warm."

A South Yorkshire Police spokesman said bans on people wearing headgear in public premises had been operated in banks and post offices for years.

She added: "There have been incidents both in pubs and other establishments when it has not been possible to identify offenders captured on CCTV because hats were hiding their faces."
 
the prime minister here, 'Gordoon Pasha' (gordon brown), is currently in disfavour with the people, his party lost big at the last local elections to let him know we did not like the idea of mandatory identity papers, massive cctv intrusions, elimination of jury trials, long term incarceration without charge, and other measures. anyhow he said that he has listened to the will of the people and will change, he said he obviously hadn't got his message across, so would change his explanations to convince the people he was right all along. last year or so he tried to get the period a person could be held without charge from two weeks to 90 days. he was defeated, and a compromise of 28 days was pushed thru. this week he said he needed 48 days and pushed that thru against the objections of his own party and the opposition parties, the prosecutor's office, military intelligence - some police said it may be needed in some possible future scenario, i bet 90 will be next, then....

cctv, we have one camera for every 14 people in the UK, so far it's not mandatory to have them in the home, or toilets, but wait a bit. latest push is that the current ones are not hi definition enough and sometimes can be hard to use as evidence in court, so they need to replace them with HD versions asap. - and they want to extend coverage to all communities, not just the big cities, motorways, etc but each and every hamlet and village. we can't even get 30 mph speed limit signs in our village let alone enforcement of that existing limit.

one candidate for office from the ruling party has said, 'well - if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from these new measures'. well, maybe not now, they're just an 'inconvenience', but down the line when they re-interpret the laws? the camel is pushing into the tent.

they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.
 
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markksr said:
Many bars and clubs in NYC won't allow hats to be worn either...
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Strikes me as one thing if an establishment has rules for its customers, and entirely another if the Government mandates behaviors about dress codes.

I'm quite isolated, so my comprehension of this sort of stuff may be naive, but it presents worrisome conjecture.:(







Kis
enjoy every sandwich
 
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You are so right about that!
And if you would like further proof.... see this.

Nowadays, ordinary people in Britain are under more surveillance than even the North Koreans.... while both the government in London and their EU superiors show an increasing distain for democracy.
 
yup, they refuse reality. the ECC bureaucrats wanted a constitution to enshrine their un elected non-accountability, and turn europe into one federal state ruled from brussels by committee. 500 pages of legalese gobblygook, it was rejected by 2 countries, and as all members had to pass it, that scuppered it. they then decided to call it a 'treaty' and change a few words here & there, again all member states had to ratify it, was going strong, our UK govt. had promised a referendum as part of their platform for election and reneged on that. anyhow, ireland had a referendum thurs after spending millions advertising for a 'yes' vote the irish govt. thought it would be a shoo-in and as all the other member sates had prmised their masters in brussels they'd ratify it without asking their people, they thought the new constitution would finally be unleashed on the peasants. ireland voted NO, so the treaty is dead.

the UK govt. stubbornly refuses to accept that and will ratify it in the next few days. the european president says europe will proceed with ratification, as ireland obviously did not understand what they voted for and must be convinced to change their minds.

like all these dictatorial restrictions to freedom and local rule, if you say no they just wait and try again in a little while, if you say no, they try again. all it takes is one yes and your liberty is down the tubes and you can't say no ever again.

government by liberal socialism will not accept a NO, obviously they know best and we are just badly informed and if they explain it to us often enough we'll finally see things their way, and if it doesn't work, it was the fault of us reactionaries fighting against and sabotaging them, never because their program couldn't work.

i know mental hospital inmates with a more stable world view.
 
My Irish blood is proud to hear that it still runs true in the Old Country!

To change the metaphor a bit...

Where DID I put that blue sticky stuff...

remember the song boys. There's a bathroom on the right!

Tom
 
it just keeps getting worse, i wonder how this PM can figure out how to put his pants on in the morning, guess his wife dresses him.

a month or so back they 'lost' a couple of cd's with half the countries tax and bank account details which they mailed to another office. big stink. couple weeks later they did the same thing almost, they 'lost' a laptop with top secret stuff. then they had a big top secret cabinet meeting on plans for our economy and one of the attending ministers held up her folder in a gesture to the press, they photographed it. it was transparent & they read the entire breifing paper on the meeting with all the 'if we get caught we'll blame the opposition' stuff in clear view. few days ago they left a top secret military intelligence document on al-qaida on the tube (subway) and yesterday they did it again, top secret info on terrorism funding left on a train. guess they have no idea how to stop this kind of leaks. lucky that both times a member of the public turned them in to the news media. wonder how many other times it's happened when they were not.

how do you spell incompetence.
 
Now here's a convenient coincidence, thinking of the Government's intended imposition of the EU Constitution -- and the problem that Britain already has one of its own that isn't compatible with that.... what with being a constitutional monarchy and having an entirely different basis to its legal system.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-should-get-rid-of-the-monarchy,-says-UN.html

Might there be a suspicious whiff of Brussels sprouts in the UN background?
 
I just finished a book you guys would love.

"A Man Called INTREPID" by William Stevenson.

He was the mastermind behind British and American intelligence during WWII and he kept his secrets for 30 years after the war until he decided to publish this book to make the knowledge public and keep it from being used against us by Communist sympathisers in the know.

The only thing alot of people understand is Power. Power corrupts and all those who have power want more.

The Govt takes, and takes and takes from its people. And eventually the appeasement on part of the masses becomes to painful, and the masses get angry. The cycle continues after the freedom of speech is abandoned, and pretty soon the prisons are full of 'criminals'.

Something has to give.

The story is the same, the technology, names and faces change.

It really is scary.
 
This is disgusting.

These people are not citizens. They are subjects.
 
Time to start striking, every sector of industry, until the changes are made.
Sometime bureacracies get to a point where they really do believe they have the power.
They don't, not really. That is something our founding fathers understood.
It doesnt matter what they do, they are outnumbered 100 to 1.
 
This is not the first time headgear has presented a threat to the British Empire:

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;)

Eric
 
George Orwell fought for the communist side in the Spanish Civil War. His experiences led him to reverse attitude and write 1984 and Animal Farm, always new politicians were pigs.
 
No, the British are not subjects, they are citizens. The monarch reigns but does not rule. See Wikipedia: British nationality law is the law of the United Kingdom concerning British citizenship and other categories of British nationality. The law is complex owing to the United Kingdom's former status as an imperial power.

The British Nationality Act 1948 established the status of Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC), the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and those places that were still British colonies on 1 January 1949, when the 1948 Act came into force. However, until the early 1960s there was little difference, if any, in United Kingdom law between the rights of CUKCs and other British subjects, all of whom had the right at any time to enter and live in the United Kingdom.

Although there have been several amendments to the 1971 Act in the intervening years, the principal British nationality law today is the British Nationality Act 1981, which established the current system of multiple categories of British nationality, viz. British citizens, British Overseas Territories citizens, British Overseas citizens, British Nationals (Overseas), British subjects and British protected persons. Only British citizenship includes the automatic right of abode in the United Kingdom.
 
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