"It's a knife, bonehead!"

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Sometimes, out of a misguided attempt to see what is going on in other forums, I run across posts that make little sense to me. No, that's not quite right; they make no sense to me at all. I guess having lived my life long enough now to span a couple of era's, I am missing something. I have to admit I have no idea what a hard use knife is.

When I was growing up, I lived with men who really worked with thier hands for a living. Rough work, a great deal of it outside in all weather. There was my grandad and his cronies of working watermen. Out on wooden boats in any kind of weather. There was the likes of the liers circle with proffesional trappers, poachers, carpenters, and farmers. In the army we were engineers. That meant jack of all trades construction people. Carpenters, masons, electricians, heavy equiptment operators like dozer drivers and mechanics, and even demo people. Of course all of then carried and used a knife. A stockman, or maybe a middleman jack, or even a few barlows. After the early 70's, the Buck 110 was a common sight on belts of working men.

I have fond memories of growing up, and having a mentor give me tips on safe knife handling. Mr. Van, our scoutmaster was a fanatic on good and safe knife pracitice. He stresed on us that a knife is a cutting tool, not a prybar, screwdriver, or other tool. being an ex-marine with a long and decorated service history, I guess Mr. Van would have needed a 'hard use' knife, whatever that may be. But all I ever saw him with was his Remington scout knife that he sort of babied. I never saw Mr. Van use it real hard. He also had a two blade serpintine jack that he used often.

I think it was about this time in my budding knife knut days I noticed something. Dad never used his peanut for anything else but cutting something. Uncle Paul never used his little two blade jacks for anything but cutting. Mr. Van of course took great pains not to use his Reminton for anything that wasn't a cutting chore. Somehow, these men had went through a depression, a world war, and raising familys, without using thier knives for anything but a cutting tool. But..., I noticed that they all carried tools.

I think it was my father that I noticed first. He always seemed to be fixing little things around the house with his keychain. His Sears 4-way keychain screwdriver was not just a screwdriver, but he used it as a mini-prybar. I never saw him pry with a knife. He told me early on to look at the guys with the knife blade snapped off because they were using it for something not intended. Dad hated abuse of a tool. I noticed a lot of the men of that era carrying thse little nail clippers on thier keychains. It seems like in the 1950's the small nail clipper was the crimper, light wire cutter, pry tool and general abuse tool. It could be replaced at the next drug store for .50 cents, so was a disposable item. Dad or Mr. Van did not consider thier pocket knife a disposable item. But like a lot of men of thier era, they carried a P-38, or a 4-way keychain screwdriver, or maybe a cheap small nail clipper, or a combination of the afor mentioned on thier keyring.

I remember one time I was opening something, and I was using my very first pocket knife to pry the lid off something. It was a old Imperial barlow graddad had given me on trial. Dad, like a lot of dad's, had the great talent to appear when least expected. Dad walked in on me, and asked "What the heck are you doing". I showed him the lid I was prying up, and he gave me a kind of back of the head slap to get my attention.

"It's a knife, bonehead. A cutting tool. Never pry with a cutting tool, go get something else!" he told me. And then he took off the Sears keychain screwdriver from his keyring and told me to hang onto it, he'll get another. I think it was at this point in my young life, he made me aware of the "right tool for the job" idea. I started really watching him and Uncle Paul, and later on Mr. Van. They all used thier knives carefully as a cutting tool. I never saw any of them with a broken knife blade. But I don't ever recall seeing a 'hard use' knife.

To this day, I'll see an old knife, like maybe an old stockman that has 30 years of use on it, or an old two blade jack that belonged to somebodys grandfather, and they have worn down but unbroken blades, and I think that it must have belonged to a man who cared about it and took care of it.

Maybe they had a father who gave them a light head smack, and told them "It's a knife bonehead!"
 
LOL, I really enjoyed this Carl. Another thing that irks me often, but I just keep my mouth shut are topics or stances that make things more difficult than they need to be. When I was a kid I was taught a small stone and a little oil and a belt or the side of the heel of a leather shoe was all that was needed to maintain a knife and a major production was not part of maintenance. For a knife user there is no "rocket science" involved. I have camped a whole lot in my life even often well into my 40's in all kinds of weather. Never had a need to abuse a pocket knife for a fire.

Oh well, I am off to baton some wood with my slip-joint. :D
 
Excellent post/point, Carl. I've long thought there's just knife use (i.e. cutting stuff), and knife abuse. "Hard use?" Nah, it's either one or the other, and a good quality, sharp knife is up to any cutting task for which it was designed. If the task at hand is too much, then go get a screwdriver or putty knife or chisel or saw.

-- Mark
 
My grandad didn't have to smack me up side the head, but he taught me what tools were for when I was very young, and it stuck with me.

I have yet to use a knife as a pry bar, and unless its a matter of survival, I never will. I instilled this same thinking in my son who is now 13 years old.

Unfortunately, some of the younger generation don't have anyone to teach them the difference between right and wrong.
 
I never use my knives to pry anything. I learned that lesson the hard way when I was 10 years old and tried to pry a dirt clod from the ground only to snap the main blade on my first knife, an Old Timer, in half.

I keep a Victorinox Spirit X multitool in a kit I keep in a backpack that goes with me to the office or in the truck that has some handy tools. It has one scraper type tool that I found very useful. I think the Swiss have some pretty smart tool designers and they placed the stout flat head screwdriver right in the middle layer of the handle giving it more strength and it is a good emergency prying tool if you need to do that sort of thing.
 
Truer words were never spoken... :thumbup:
 
Maybe they had a father who gave them a light head smack, and told them "It's a knife bonehead!"

Ha! :D I gave my 16-year-old daughter the proverbial slap to the back of the head yesterday. The stockman that I found was on the table. She picked it up to inspect it. She opened the spey blade 1/2 way then moved to the sheepsfoot (no half stops on this one). I stopped her and explained the "you'll break a backspring that way". Showed her why and explained to her what happens if it does break.

I doubt that it was anything of value to a teen-aged girl with boys and fashion on the melon but maybe, one day, she can explain to her kids why they shouldn't open grandpa's knives like that. We'll see.

Thanks for the read.:thumbup:
 
I blame Hollywood. I can list lots of movies where knives are also screwdrivers (Al Pacino, "Insomnia") or worse yet chisels for prying bricks out of a wall (Nick Cage, "National Treasure").
The world is quickly running out of dad's and grampa's that take the time to show the next generation the sensible way to handle, and respect, a pocketknife.
 
Truer words were never spoken... :thumbup:


What he said.

I have discontinued the use of multitools for a 4" craftsman crescent wrench and after Carl's insistence on carrying a sears 4-way I have been looking for mine left and right. At 28 years old I have had the wants for "Hard use" knives but that has subsided mostly due to this sub-forum and remembering what my grand father taught me growing up.
 
This was an awesome read, and too true. My grandfather stressed the same kinds of things. If you used a tool wrong, he got pissed.

I laugh at all these hard use folders, or cold steel videos where they incessantly whack the spine of knives trying to get them to fail.

I can see the need for a strong lock just as much as anyone, but I can't think of too many jobs that require it. It's more of a cool engineering thing/bragging rights.

Having only had to baton wood once, which wasn't really a "have to" at all, I can't imagine someone wanting or trying to do it with a folder. It just seems silly.

I think this is why I prefer the traditional forum. People seem to be a bit more rational here. =D

-Freq
 
Nice post. I've had the pleasure of selling many "first pocket knives" to parents for the children they had in tow. I tell them my mom grew up on a farm, and my father on a mill; and that the people in my family all carried knives (my 84 year-old mother still does--a Kershaw RAM).

Before I finish the sale they get a mini-lecture: Knife safety stressed first, but then I get into the old adage: "This is a knife, it's a cutting tool. Notice, I said tool, not weapon. Notice I said cutting, it's not for anything else. The old saying is 'A knife is the most expensive and worst screwdriver/prybar/chisel you'll ever own.' If your mom/dad sees yoiu using this wrong, they'll take it away."

There's a certain weighty stare you can give when you're older than the parent, and standing behind the counter of a knife shop. I've found it helps the parent, too, to hear those words again.
 
I never understood all this "hard use" talk in the forums either. I laugh when I go to other forums and they talk about the toughest knife available, and put up a pic of some over built, thousand layer Benchmade or Spyderco. To each his own. I would never judge anyone for what he likes. If those are the knives they like, they are available. My issue is, is all that extra padding necessary? All your "Tough" knife is going to do is cut. If you are not going to pry with it or baton with it, which you shouldn't, then what's the "hard use"?
Ok, I can understand "hard use" being used when you have a job where you will be cutting A LOT!! Ok, in this sense, it makes more sense, but then it's more the steel of the blade and the edge retention that matters, not that the knife weigh a hundred pounds because of all the extra bells and whistles.
Like JK said. It's a knife, bonehead. It's meant to cut. That's it.
Good read, Jackknife. You never disappoint.
 
When I think hard use I think a a large chore like butchering a hog, sure it can be done with a peanut but a trapper or hunter would be easier.

This cast trapper was a hard use knife for somebody...

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Maybe they had a father who gave them a light head smack, and told them "It's a knife bonehead!"

Great read as usual.
When I read the last line, I pictured a Seinfeld episode when Frank Costanza slaps George right upside the bald spot on his nugget for something idiotic he`d done.
 
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