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DannyinJapan

DannyinJapan

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I know yall are probably tired of my middle east situation threads, but this is too much. This man was one of my professors in College. Dr. Sobeih.
I attended one of the meetings of the League of Arab states as an assistant to the Representatives from Sudan.
Not a big problem causer, Sudan, but they are part of the AL..
Anyway, I thought it was interesting to see an old face in the papers talking about things that were fresh on my mind.

'Sharon's Pullout Theatre is a Ploy’
By Cumali Onal
Published: Saturday, August 27, 2005
zaman.com

Evacuation of Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip, upon a unilateral initiative made by the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, is taken with concern and suspicion in the Middle East.

Political pundits speaking to Zaman assess that Sharon’s pullout from Gaza was to smokescreen the international public opinion for another ten years. Mohammed M. Sobeih, the Palestinian permanent representative to the Arab League (AL), said Sharon is implementing his own agenda in Gaza without complying with any international agreements. Sobeih noting they are still pleased with the Gaza evacuation despite everything, says Sharon should make the same inititiative for the West Bank as he did for Gaza to show the entire world that he is a genuine man of peace.
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Dr. Hassan Abu Taleb from the Al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo said pullout from Gaza was definitely to gain more time and that Sharon’s plan is not a step towards peace.

Professor of Political Science Mohammed al-Sayed Selim both at the Cairo University and the Kuwait University, notes the picture Sharon drew while withdrawing from Gaza will be an excuse for him to use from now on. “Sharon will say, as he sits on his table, the entire world saw how difficult it was to pullout from Gaza and he will continue his smokescreen tactics with the comfort that no power currently exists to keep him under pressure,” Selim said.

According to the Palestinian Ambassador Sobeih, not only Sharon’s policies but also the Jewish settlers of which are mostly fanatic youth will pose a threat. Sobeih reminding such fanatics did not hesitate to kill a prime minister like Isaac Rabin in the past, emphasized the settlers and the settlements were the biggest obstacles before peace and universal law. Ambassador Sobeih continued, “Israel withdrew from the Jewish settlement Yamit on the Sinai Peninsula, which Sharon first declared it would not withdraw. In the same way, it withdrew from Gaza. Now Sharon is settling in the West Bank settlement of Netzarim, which is as valuable as Tel Aviv. But, Israel will leave there as well because we do not accept any other solution.”

Stressing Gaza has been deprived of its entire infrastructure and agricultural lands and that unemployment is at high levels, Sobeih highlights that despite all that Israel was trying to turn Gaza into an open prison. He also indicated the main goal of Sharon, who has rejected Turkey’s proposal to reconstruct the Gaza Airport, is to constantly create obstacles for the construction of an independent Palestine.

Ambassador Sobeih said territories of an independent Palestinian state, which Sharon tries to prevent, could only be connected to each other through underground tunnels under current political circumstances. He expressed Israel has attempted to take even these tunnels under its control. Pointing out that the Palestinian state declared its independency in 1999 and that it has been recognized by 96 countries so far, Sobeih said their state would not only live on paper but in reality as well, from now on.

According to a Road Map supported by Europe and previously by the US, the Palestinian State was planned to be established the latest by the end of 2005. The US; however, says the “state” can be established before 2009.

Israel Dwells in the West Bank, in Response to Withdrawal from Gaza

Professor Selim, who is one of the instructors in Kuwait’s and Cairo Universities Political-Economic Sciences Faculties, noted that Sharon will want to establish colonies in the West Bank throughout the upcoming ten years and stiffen Israel’s presence there. He accepts this as the price of withdrawal from Gaza. Selim emphasizes that, even if the withdrawal alone is an important development, this is a one sided step of Sharon and it has some risks for the future. According to Selim, Israel’s reserving its rights to make operations in Gaza whenever it wants and its not promising of any other withdrawals in the future is preventing stable peace in the region. Selim noted that Sharon, who does not obey the roadmap, tries to legalize Israel’s colonization process in Palestine. Selim also said that Israel announced it would not give more that 42 percent of Gaza and the West Bank to Palestinians, which is less than 10 percent of the total Palestinian land occupied by Israel.

Selim, who defended that there appears to be a secret agreement between the Israeli residents and the Israeli Government, said that about 4000 residents leaked into Gaza during the withdrawal in order to protest the government’s policies and claims: “If Sharon sits on the same table with Palestinians he will show the difficulties he experienced while evacuating Gaza and will use this as an excuse for not evacuating the West Bank.”

Israel’s Dangerous Plans

Professor Selim defends that Israel has very dangerous plans and added: “Sharon will turn Al Halil, Ramallah, Eriha and other Palestinian cities into cantons and will unite them with tunnels. On the other side, he develops some projects in order to unite the West Bank and some important parts of Eastern Jerusalem with Israel. The wall, which is a part of the so-called solutions of Sharon, continues to be constructed in the dept of the West Bank. As all these developments are experienced no one can show an optimistic view for peace in Palestine.” Selim also defends that the colonization in the West Bank will start the third intifada in Palestine.

Selim tells the most important factors preventing an independent Palestine state as: Israel being too powerful compared to Palestine, the lack of pressure towards Israel, the big problems in the Middle East and the super power US’s struggle against terror at the moment. Selim said: “We are face to face with a Judeo-Christian alliance which dream of a united great Israel. According to this alliance United Israel should be the biggest power in the Middle East.”

Israel Surrounds Palestine by Withdrawing from Gaza

Dr. Abu Taleb from Al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies says the Gaza withdrawal is not a step that was taken for the benefit of Palestinians but it is completely for the benefit of Israel. Abu Taleb, who reckons that Sharon can no longer meet the political, military and economic costs of the burden Israel faces by remaining in Gaza says: “Israel was faced with two alternatives in Gaza. First, if it had stayed there, it would have to consume a great deal of energy to maintain the control of 1.5 million Palestinians against 8.500 Jews, but it was too difficult to control this population any longer. The second alternative is something easier; to surround by withdrawing. In this way, Israel will take less risks and it will make its borders safer. And, Israel chose the second alternative, despite the fact that the withdrawal is against its ideology of the Promised Land.”

Abu Taleb stresses that Sharon, who evacuated Gaza, will reorganize its military entity over the occupied territories. According to Abu Taleb, any step that Israel takes in the occupied West Bank or East Jerusalem will dynamite a peace process. Israel takes a step, which is not reflected to the world agenda a great deal, while it announces that it will build new settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Abu Taleb says Israel wants to set up new settlements in the Negev Desert of Israel adding that this will force the peaceful people of the region, the Arabic Bedouin tribes to come face to face with the settlers. During the withdrawal process, Sharon‘s administration did not consult with the Palestinians, they only made some talks regarding the post-withdrawal period. , ”This is an open evidence that Israel just tries to impose its own agenda,” said Abu Taleb.

Indicating that the most important step taken after the Gaza withdrawal is Israel’s returning back to table, Abu Taleb remarks that the steps to be taken by the Palestinian Authority in Gaza, will be of utmost importance for peace settlement.

Now, Hamas is the strongest group in Gaza. This is considered as the most significant possible clash among the Palestinians. The third most important step to be taken after the withdrawal is the region’s economic development. Western countries and other countries in the region that are related to Palestine convened in London last month and promised they would give important financial aids to the Palestinian administration. Abu Taleb stresses that these promises should be fulfilled immediately.

Abu Taleb acknowledges that the success Palestinians will achieve in the field of economy will perhaps be the biggest award of the peace. Abu Taleb thinks that there are many big problems before establishing an independent Palestinian state. The biggest problem is the fact that the Palestinian Authority does not have power to maintain complete authority in the region. Indicating that they do not have any other choices other than establishing dialogue, Abu Taleb says: “It is true that there are big problems among them; however, they do not have any other choices other than reaching an agreement. Or, they will clash among themselves.”

Disclosing that Egypt plays a crucial role in Palestine, Abu Taleb informs that Egyptian high-ranking officials always realize a shuttle diplomacy among Egypt, Israel, and Palestine.


Cairo
 
Typical waste of oxygen -- ranting, raving, arm-waving, and avoiding The Issue.

Israel is on record, and has shown a willingness to cooperate, with the idea of a Palestinian State. NO ONE on the Arab side has made a comparable effort to form a legitimate and effective Palestinian administration (which was the whole idea of Oslo). On the contrary, the financial, official, religious, and human resources of the Palestinian Authority, and all the other Palestinian factions, have been focussed instead on one goal, the destruction of the State of Israel.

In this, they are following the Arab party line. Immediately after the 1967 war, when Israel defeated yet one more united Arab attempt at genocide by conquering the "Palestinian territories", the Israelis asked who they could talk to about leaving those areas. The Arab response was to refuse to recognize or negotiate with Jews.

The current withdrawal from Gaza was not presented as a move toward peace. Ariel Sharon was clear about this from the start. The Palestinian Arabs are an obnoxious and inimical population, and living alongside them is agony. So he proposed a solution by way of separating the people of Israel from them.

In the west, he builds a fence to keep them out of Israel proper and its most heavily populated territories. In the east, he shifted the entire small Jewish population out of an area infested by people with whom no open, honest agreement of any sort has come to seem possible.

The Arab world continues to pretend it now wants to negotiate -- but also insists that the end product of that negotiation must be total Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 cease-fire lines and total acceptance of any "Palestinian" Arab refugee, descendent, and associated riff-raff into Israel itself.

To this I can only remind them not to mistake kindness for weakness. I long for the day when the world will tire of the Arabs' constant assaults on every neighbor, and Israel will solve its territorial problem by transferring these people into Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, maybe Jordan, maybe Saudi Arabia, too.

You don't want to play nice? The Talmud tells us, if a man comes to strike you, strike him first. We are overdue to follow that advice, always waiting for a good reason to strike back -- "good reason" being more dead Jews.

Israel left a few small parts of Gaza green. Come back in a year or so, and see if its new owners can maintain or extend that.
 
At least 10 wounded in blast at Beersheba bus station

Two security guards in serious condition after trying to block suicide bomber from entering station.

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Other reports from the scene describe the bomber attempting to board two different buses and being turned away, before trying to enter the bus station itself.

When the two security guards blocked the bomber's entrance to the station proper, he detonated his explosives outside the station, in a less crowded area.


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Initial investigations suggested that the bomber had intended to blow up at the Soroka Medical Center, Channel 2 reported.

This is not the first time a bomber has attempted to target the hospital. In June of this year a woman was caught at the Erez crossing wearing explosives stitched to her underwear, headed for the hospital. The woman had been regularly receiving treatment for burns there over the previous year. She told interrogators that she had wanted to kill 40 or 50 people, including as many youngsters as possible.

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There will never be peace with these people. There will only be a barrier between us, built not of metal and concrete, but by their evil and destructive hearts.

This is how they celebrate reclaiming a piece of their homeland.
 
Politics: Alone at the top

Though he [Ariel Sharon] repeated this week what he has said often over the last few weeks – that the settlement movement did not achieve all its dreams – it was instructive to hear him enumerate what he thought were the dreams that the movement was able to realize: praying at the Machpela Cave in Hebron, placing Rachel's Tomb inside the Jerusalem fence and making it possible to go to Ma'aleh Adumim, Ariel, Beit El and Shilo.

Hebron, Ma'aleh Adumim and Ariel are standard Sharon fare; what is new is his inclusion of Beit El and Shilo in this equation.

Sharon's comments about continued building in the settlement blocs were not slips of the tongue, but were calculated. He knew what he was saying, knew that his words would make it into print, and knew that they would not necessarily be greeted with glee in Washington or around the world.

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THE PRIME MINISTER, according to people who met with him this week, did not seem intoxicated by the disengagement process – his brainchild. Nor did Sharon himself seem overly tense, or appear to harbor illusions that the withdrawal from Gaza would now lead to Arab acceptance of Israel in the region, or even to a lessening of international pressure on Jerusalem.

Indeed, during one conversation, he quoted the same Biblical verse often used by critics of his plan who argue that he places too much stock in world opinion. The verse from Numbers states that Israel is "a people that shall dwell alone."

Sharon now expects pressure: pressure from the Palestinians, the Arab world, the Europeans, even from the US. But he says Israel can withstand it.

"There are always pressures, but who said that the Jews have to cave in?"

Jewish W. Bank population up 12,000

As Israel basked in world admiration for pulling out of the Gaza Strip, new official figures released Friday showed the Jewish population of the West Bank expanding rapidly, growing by more than 12,000 in the past year alone.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has made no secret of his desire to expand large West Bank settlement blocs, even while withdrawing from areas he believes are untenable for Israel to hold.

Interior Ministry figures showed the Jewish population of the West Bank in June stood at 246,000, an increase of 12,800, or five percent, in one year.

That figure may be boosted following the removal of some 8,500 people from the Gaza Strip, many of whom found temporary shelter in West Bank settlements

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The Palestinians got what they wanted; now they're pi$$ing and moaning about it. They will never be satisfied until Israel is a greasy spot in the sand. Let their brother Arabs help them. Israel owes them nothing, at least until they stop harboring and encouraging terrorists.
 
I can sort this real quick for anyone who interested in the true facts:

1. All of the Arabs, the Palestinians. Hesboala, and any and all other Arab based terriosts groups have only one long range objective in mind for the State of Israel. That objective is to PUSH THEM INTO THE SEA AND LET ALL THE ISRALIES PERISH.

2. No matter what concessions Israel makes to the Arabs, the long range objective of PUSHING ISRAEL INTO THE SEA never changes within the Arabs' minds. I want to emphasize that the objective by the Arabs to PUSH THE ISRALIES INTO THE SEA will never change. This is a non-negotiable objective that the Arabs have.

3. The Isralies allowed the Palestinians to live among the Isralies without the Isralies attacking and murdering the Palestinians.

4. The Palestinians, the Arabs, Hesboala, and any and all other Arab based terriosts groups will definitely not let the Isralies live among them without attacking and murdering the Isralies and then THROW THE ISRALIES INTO THE SEA.

5. There ye be parderners. That is the true facts of the situation.
 
The Muslims not only hate the JEWS they also hate the AMERICANS.

If you are an American and think that you could live all alone and by yourself in a Muslim controlled land and be at peace with the Muslims, you are badly mistaken.

The Muslims would happily jerk you up out of your dwelling place among them and saw your head off.

If any of you people out there don't understand the above facts, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

J. W. Kilpatrick
 
This will be my last and final post on this matter.

Them Arabs need to go to church and "GET CHURCHED UP" !!

They need to sit on the very front row and listen real good to the preacher when he tells them that the GOLDEN RULE is to treat others like you would like to be treated.

J. W. Kilpatrick
 
J W Kilpatrick said:
This will be my last and final post on this matter.

Them Arabs need to go to church and "GET CHURCHED UP" !!

They need to sit on the very front row and listen real good to the preacher when he tells them that the GOLDEN RULE is to treat others like you would like to be treated.

J. W. Kilpatrick
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Thanks for your opinion. Problem might be, J.W. that they have been to "churched up" in fanatical madrasas to much to hate us. Maybe they need to be "smartened up" instead...
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Bri in Chi said:
Thanks for your opinion. Problem might be, J.W. that they have been to "churched up" in fanatical madrasas to much to hate us. Maybe they need to be "smartened up" instead...
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Hayv!
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The article is a little silly. It mentions Pat's stupid remarks, then goes on to show the US administration has problems with Chavez, and hopes we'll read this as meaning Pat and George Bush are on the same page.

I have more influence over George Bush than Pat Robertson does. :rolleyes:
 
I dont know what it is with some of our TV preachers. The get to be a certain age and then they just start talking crazy.
Remember when Oral Roberts told people that if he didnt get 3 million dollars in donations God would take his life?
( I might have my details mixed up, Im using actual memory as opposed to looking it up on the web)
The sad part is that Those preachers have done a lot of charity work and good things in their lives, but this is all they will be remembered for.
Yall remember Mr. T ?
He quit acting and has been driving a truck full of food and clothing for homeless people all these years, I believe, because of Pat Robertson.
 
Danny, I think as long as they stick to the text, they tell people about ideas that have stood the test of time. When they leave the text and make it up as they go along, tossing their own less-well-thought-out prejudices into the mix, they go astray.

Meanwhile, they have had years of practice looking sincere and important, and their followers are used to accepting what they say as, well, as Gospel.

With great power comes great responsibility. Too bad when they forget this.
 
Pretty much everybody in America that I know has said "Pat? Have you lost your freaking mind??!"
Truth be told, most TV preachers dont have a lot of respect, the money thing always seemed to come into the scene.
Maybe old Pat is just too damned old. He just can't control his mouth anymore and being on TV aint the place for him.
He can sit around with my grandpa and issue assassination orders to the Home health providers all day long...
 
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