It's not too late, Yvsa

[jmings]

Peyote Won't Rot Your Brain

:thumbup:

 

[munk]

The article says Peyote is a bit obscure. Uh huh. That's why in Big Bend National park and other places there is almost none left- because it's so obscure, and people pluck it out.

The article says researchers want to find out if hallucinagens could be useful in treating mental illness. They tried that in the 60's and 70's; didn't work. One of the medical directors of the a hospital where this was tried did run away and shuck everything, however; Acid giving him a new perspective that being a medical director apparently could not. That was at Patton State Hospital in CA where I worked for a time. They also tried teaching alcoholics to drink socially....

The old, "does this stuff hurt your synapsis or not?" will probably be around for a long time.

It does remind me a little of a Jack OConnor quote regarding the killing power of a 270 vs a 338: "I doubt either in the ribs will do an Elk any good."

That said, look at me: I'm still alive.... kind of....


I actually think booze is the worst of the lot, and it's legal.



munk

 

[MauiRob]

I actually think booze is the worst of the lot, and it's legal.

I couldn't agree more...and this is from a person who's battled alcohol for a number of years...

 

[munk]

The destruction of my short term memory is mostly because of a fifth or more a night for 10 years. The, Point Three Club.

I have a childhood friend who did the math on my 'hallucinagenic' intake. If he's correct, then John Lennon, tampon on head guy, had nothing on me at over a 1000 times. I guess that makes me a member.....of the Grateful Dead.

The young do such stupid things.....almost all of those 'trips' were wondering why in hell I was 'tripping' in the first place.

Its an old saw, but still a good one; there aint nothing there you don't already have.

munk

 

[Kevin the grey]

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It does remind me a little of a Jack OConnor quote regarding the killing power of a 270 vs a 338: "I doubt either in the ribs will do an Elk any good."

munk[/QUOTE]

REPLY: That says it all Munk . It doesn,t matter if its buttons or boose , moderation is the key to life . Variation being the spice .

 

[Yvsa]

It's not too late, Yvsa
Peyote Won't Rot Your Brain :thumbup:

Peyote ain't nothing, at least to me, except that I do consider Peyote a Sacred Sacrament and respect the people who use it within the bounds of the Native American Church.
One of the biggest reasons I respect the Native American Church and their use of Peyote as a Sacrament and Medicine is because of all the folks I know that have suffered with alcoholism and that have left alcohol alone because of the Church and the Peyote.
I'm for anything that will help my people get away from and leave alone the damned alcohol!:thumbup:

Barbie and I went to a "Meeting" once and the only thing it did for either one of us was that the Peyote enabled Barbie to stay awake all night long.
Setting in the Tipi without any back support was killing me and even trying to lay down didn't help. The particular folks running the Meeting were very lenient and let me go inside about midnight/one in the morning until just before the Morning Water came in.
I was able to sleep on the couch as the pain eased.
The Peyote we were eating was chopped and I ate the equivalent of at least 5 good sized buttons and then drank the Peyote Tea on top of it.
No hallucinogenic effects, nada, nothing, didn't even help keep me awake.
Carl asked me the next morning if I was able to sleep when I went in the house and was surprised when I told him yes.
I was surprised when I went back into the Tipi and found Barbie still awake! And was doubly surprised when she stayed awake all day however Barbie did go to bed earlier than usual that night though.
I wouldn't mind exploring the use of Peyote further in a Sacred manner but not by going to the meetings of the Native American Church.
They are just too Christian too suit me.
What I'd really like to do is one of the traditional ceremonies in South America using the Medicine they use down there. Being done in the old traditional way I have a feeling I would get more out of it. :thumbup:

 

[Fiddleback]

I never did peyote, but was told something I ate once :barf: was mescaline. I didn't like it much but I did have a haluciniginic experience. I did try it again one more time with a girl. That was better. I guess I did lots of dumb Sh*t as a youth. The list of the things I didn't do is shorter by far. Only way I got away from all that crap was I met my wife (a problematic youth too) and fell instantly for her. We moved in together two days after we met, and I realized if I wanted it to work I had to sober up and get a job. What a shock!! Once sober I got back out into the woods and remembered my entire childhood. Thank God. Closest thing to a miracle thats ever happened in my life.

Andy

 

[jmings]

Peyote ain't nothing, at least to me, except that I do consider Peyote a Sacred Sacrament and respect the people who use it within the bounds of the Native American Church.
One of the biggest reasons I respect the Native American Church and their use of Peyote as a Sacrament and Medicine is because of all the folks I know that have suffered with alcoholism and that have left alcohol alone because of the Church and the Peyote.
I'm for anything that will help my people get away from and leave alone the damned alcohol!:thumbup:

I hear that, Grandfather.

Barbie and I went to a "Meeting" once and the only thing it did for either one of us was that the Peyote enabled Barbie to stay awake all night long.
Setting in the Tipi without any back support was killing me and even trying to lay down didn't help. The particular folks running the Meeting were very lenient and let me go inside about midnight/one in the morning until just before the Morning Water came in.
I was able to sleep on the couch as the pain eased.
The Peyote we were eating was chopped and I ate the equivalent of at least 5 good sized buttons and then drank the Peyote Tea on top of it.
No hallucinogenic effects, nada, nothing, didn't even help keep me awake.
Carl asked me the next morning if I was able to sleep when I went in the house and was surprised when I told him yes.
I was surprised when I went back into the Tipi and found Barbie still awake! And was doubly surprised when she stayed awake all day however Barbie did go to bed earlier than usual that night though.
I wouldn't mind exploring the use of Peyote further in a Sacred manner but not by going to the meetings of the Native American Church.
They are just too Christian too suit me.

:barf:

What I'd really like to do is one of the traditional ceremonies in South America using the Medicine they use down there. Being done in the old traditional way I have a feeling I would get more out of it. :thumbup:

The documentery flic I saw on the SA use of psychoactives they had what looked like a leignth of bamboo that they packed in some yellow/orange fungus spoors in one end. One fellow snugged the other end over his nose and his compadre blew like a blowgun. The target's head snapped back as if he'd been hit with a 12 guage and when he got back to a sitting position he appeared to be advising anyone there except the documentry people that he totally ignored like they were invisable.
Anyway, alcohol stopped for me 33 years ago.

 

[tychoseven]

The documentery flic I saw on the SA use of psychoactives they had what looked like a leignth of bamboo that they packed in some yellow/orange fungus spoors in one end. One fellow snugged the other end over his nose and his compadre blew like a blowgun. The target's head snapped back as if he'd been hit with a 12 guage and when he got back to a sitting position he appeared to be advising anyone there except the documentry people that he totally ignored like they were invisable.

That sounds like the DMT snuff they make from certain jungle plants. It's usually called Cohoba or Vilca, IIRC. From what I've read, it's like being shot from a cannon into another dimension. Here's a picture.

-Tycho-

 

[jurassicnarc44]

That sounds like the DMT snuff they make from certain jungle plants. It's usually called Cohoba or Vilca, IIRC. From what I've read, it's like being shot from a cannon into another dimension. Here's a picture.

-Tycho-

Your memory is excellent.....I spent years down there, and that's DMT alright. Up here a lot of folks called it the "Businessman's Trip"....near instant onset, and effects usually ghosted away after four hours or so. Dimethyltryptamine is the active ingredient, and it can be synthesized.

 

[Yvsa]

There are several Different ceremonies done by our brothers to the south using many different Medicines from many different plants to accomplish what they're after.

I don't know why Jerry quoted me saying this...

Barbie and I went to a "Meeting" once and the only thing it did for either one of us was that the Peyote enabled Barbie to stay awake all night long.
Setting in the Tipi without any back support was killing me and even trying to lay down didn't help. The particular folks running the Meeting were very lenient and let me go inside about midnight/one in the morning until just before the Morning Water came in.
I was able to sleep on the couch as the pain eased.
The Peyote we were eating was chopped and I ate the equivalent of at least 5 good sized buttons and then drank the Peyote Tea on top of it.
No hallucinogenic effects, nada, nothing, didn't even help keep me awake.
Carl asked me the next morning if I was able to sleep when I went in the house and was surprised when I told him yes.
I was surprised when I went back into the Tipi and found Barbie still awake! And was doubly surprised when she stayed awake all day however Barbie did go to bed earlier than usual that night though.
I wouldn't mind exploring the use of Peyote further in a Sacred manner but not by going to the meetings of the Native American Church.
They are just too Christian too suit me.

And then using a barf smilie :barf: behind it. Perhaps Jerry would explain himself and what he meant?

Jerry I'm glad the alcohol stopped for you 33 years ago as it is indeed a killer in many ways.

Just remember the old traditional ways were here long before the coming of the white men and their book of talking leaves.
The old traditional ways have also gotten people off the alcohol and other drugs and let them lead clean lives.
I am a living example myself.

In this Cantina there are people of many beliefs. We don't run each other down for what the other believes and have respect for each other beliefs. They are all good.

 

[jmings]

:foot: Lo siento mucho, mi amigos.
I am sorry. I was reacting to the "too Christian for me" part.

Things have been rough with my wife's 7th nervious breakdown driving us into bankruptcy, her smoking in bed and setting the carpet on fire a few times, not to mention the burns in the bedding and scars on her cleavage.

She would like smoke and prayers for her.

 

[jmings]

That sounds like the DMT snuff they make from certain jungle plants. It's usually called Cohoba or Vilca, IIRC. From what I've read, it's like being shot from a cannon into another dimension. Here's a picture.
-Tycho-

That looks pretty much as what I remember.

 

[Yvsa]

:foot: Lo siento mucho, mi amigos.
I am sorry. I was reacting to the "too Christian for me" part.

Things have been rough with my wife's 7th nervious breakdown driving us into bankruptcy, her smoking in bed and setting the carpet on fire a few times, not to mention the burns in the bedding and scars on her cleavage.

She would like smoke and prayers for her.

Understood and no problem. Smoke for your wife. I know from experience what you're going through and it isn't easy.