I've been given a job as a summer long camp counselor. **Update**

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Last week I applied for a job to be a summer camp counselor up in West Virginia for two months, and I was suprised at how quickly they hired me. Basically they were very interested in my background with riflery and in my wilderness skills. Now I know I won't be teaching kids (10-16) how to shoot every waking hour of the day, even though I would have no objections to that. So I'm thinking that during the down time it would be a perfect chance to teach the willing kids a few wilderness skills. I'm thinking like how to build a spring snare, fire making, shaprening knives & axe's, shelter building i.e lean tubes, etc... You know just really basic stuff but still covering a large amount. This is a really good chance to introduce kids to some of the cooler stuff in nature, other than just hiking. Do you folks have any idea?
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This coming wednesday I really plan on hitting the woods during the day to hone my skills and learn some new ones.
 
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Sounds like fun! I worked ten summers at Philmont Scout Ranch, including two as a 12ga shotgun instructor and three years as a 30.06 instructor. I never entered the field of Recreation as a full-time long-term career, but that's what my college degree is, Recreation Parks and Tourism Administration.

For most kids at your camp I expect it will be necessary to start at the very beginning: No-trace ethics, outdoor etiquette, safety, map and compass / navigation, hygiene, and beginner skills like setting up a tent and starting a campfire with matches.

The specific agenda and curriculum will likely be determined by the organization running the camp and the Camp Director(s). :thumbup:
 
Sounds like fun! I worked ten summers at Philmont Scout Ranch, including two as a 12ga shotgun instructor and three years as a 30.06 instructor. I never entered the field of Recreation as a full-time long-term career, but that's what my college degree is, Recreation Parks and Tourism Administration.

For most kids at your camp I expect it will be necessary to start at the very beginning: No-trace ethics, outdoor etiquette, safety, map and compass / navigation, hygiene, and beginner skills like setting up a tent and starting a campfire with matches.

The specific agenda and curriculum will likely be determined by the organization running the camp and the Camp Director(s). :thumbup:

I read through their entire activities sheet and I do see that they have a few overnight camping trips. I would think that if a counselor wanted to show some of the kids a few skills they wouldn't object.
 
I'd be thinking "beginner" stuff. Very easy things are not so easy to folks who have never had to make their own meal or sleep in a sleeping bag.

A few years ago I kept all my inlaws alive during a "camping" trip that they planned.
Because they brought so much junk, including a 20 inch CRT TV to watch with bunny ears (although our campsite didn't have electricity), I had to go from 2 bags of stuff to 1 bag of stuff an hour before we left.

Funny how just about everything revolved around me making a fire to cook over, as a grill in the wind doesn't cook anything once you have the hood open (it's not a stove top).

It was interesting to watch novices. It makes you realize how much knowledge one has acquired.
 
I read through their entire activities sheet and I do see that they have a few overnight camping trips. I would think that if a counselor wanted to show some of the kids a few skills they wouldn't object.

I think you're probably correct. Setting up a tent, keeping bugs away, staying dry and warm, navigation, food preparation... all very important - simple skills that most of us experienced outdoor users take for granted, but which may be entirely foreign to most kids.

There will be some repeat campers, no doubt, who might appreciate information and techniques a step beyond what they've done before. Flint and steel fire starting, wild edibles, fishing, navigation challenges (games), etc.

And there are always "teachable moments" awaiting around every bend in the trail. :thumbup:

What area of West Virginia? I've spent time in the coal mining areas around Beckley, Charleston, and Morgantown.
 
That's great, your experience and knowledge will stick with them the rest of there lives.:thumbup:
 
It was interesting to watch novices. It makes you realize how much knowledge one has acquired.
Very true. I took a buddy out who had never been fishing. It was actually pretty funny. When we headed back to the campsite we needed a fire built up. I was about to split up a log for kindling with my axe but he asked if he could do it. He had to of hit that log dang near 15 times until I asked him to give me the axe. I split it up the log one hit per split till I had kindling. He just laughed.
Just got my handbook, strict no knives policy
You should take that issue up with the head honcho to see if you can get it changed. Thats just really sad.
 
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I instruct at a week long wilderness camp for middle schoolers. I and three other guys have been doing it for the last 3 years. We've got ours down pretty well at this point and are now taking repeat campers through some more advanced skills.

The central skill set that we try to teach in everything we do with them is to constantly be learning, to pay attention to your surroundings and then be creative in problem solving.

What we've noticed is that most kids (most adults in our culture) are used to being able to purchase purposely made items for everything that they do. The art of improvisation and problem solving are severely lacking in many (most?) Americans. We believe the heart of the survival mindset is to know how to learn new skills, pay attention and problem solve. If they have the confidence to do so then they can take on whatever situation they find themselves in regardless of the environment (urban, suburban, wilderness...).

As soon as they get back to our area of the youth camp (before they even stow away their bunks) they find a field strewn with clothes. We start them off in a tornado scenario. Being around or a part of a tornado disaster is probable in our area of the country and which we as instructors have dealt with a number of tornado touchdowns and clean up. The first thing we have them do at the camp is to gather up the clothes and each of them has to make an improvised bag that they will carry around and use all week. They get to use their knives (each of them has a knife assigned to them for the week) a stout needle and the interior strands of paracord to make their bags.

It's generally a frustrating experience for them but it works really well and most of them through out the week are further improvising their bag and fixing where they're failing. We focus on fire making, basic shelter building, water procurement and filtration, very basic orienteering and first aid. All of the kids walk out of camp Red Cross certified in first aid and CPR. There are other things we dabble with but that's the core.

When the camp first approached us about taking on this week of camp they were reluctant about giving the kids knives but we made in conditional. We simply can't teach these skills and more importantly have them practice them without knives. In three years we haven't had a serious injury. You may also check in your handbook about fire. Our particular camp has a rule that no campers are allowed to touch or help with any fires but that too is waived for our camp.

It's actually a lot of fun. Ours is the most popular camp that they have all summer. My understanding is we've already filled up to our maximum number for this year.

Shoot me an email if you want to chat any more about what we do.
 
I instruct at a week long wilderness camp for middle schoolers. I and three other guys have been doing it for the last 3 years. We've got ours down pretty well at this point and are now taking repeat campers through some more advanced skills.

The central skill set that we try to teach in everything we do with them is to constantly be learning, to pay attention to your surroundings and then be creative in problem solving.

What we've noticed is that most kids (most adults in our culture) are used to being able to purchase purposely made items for everything that they do. The art of improvisation and problem solving are severely lacking in many (most?) Americans. We believe the heart of the survival mindset is to know how to learn new skills, pay attention and problem solve. If they have the confidence to do so then they can take on whatever situation they find themselves in regardless of the environment (urban, suburban, wilderness...).

As soon as they get back to our area of the youth camp (before they even stow away their bunks) they find a field strewn with clothes. We start them off in a tornado scenario. Being around or a part of a tornado disaster is probable in our area of the country and which we as instructors have dealt with a number of tornado touchdowns and clean up. The first thing we have them do at the camp is to gather up the clothes and each of them has to make an improvised bag that they will carry around and use all week. They get to use their knives (each of them has a knife assigned to them for the week) a stout needle and the interior strands of paracord to make their bags.

It's generally a frustrating experience for them but it works really well and most of them through out the week are further improvising their bag and fixing where they're failing. We focus on fire making, basic shelter building, water procurement and filtration, very basic orienteering and first aid. All of the kids walk out of camp Red Cross certified in first aid and CPR. There are other things we dabble with but that's the core.

When the camp first approached us about taking on this week of camp they were reluctant about giving the kids knives but we made in conditional. We simply can't teach these skills and more importantly have them practice them without knives. In three years we haven't had a serious injury. You may also check in your handbook about fire. Our particular camp has a rule that no campers are allowed to touch or help with any fires but that too is waived for our camp.

It's actually a lot of fun. Ours is the most popular camp that they have all summer. My understanding is we've already filled up to our maximum number for this year.

Shoot me an email if you want to chat any more about what we do.

It may end up exactly like that as well, I'll probably bring a few of my knives with me that would be good for bushcraft and other skills.
 
A couple of things I learned from several summers doing camps with kids. Policy is often determined by the insurance company. No matter how dumb an idea seems, or over the top protective, that insurance is the only thing that matters. I carried a knife all the time when working at camp. sometimes very ridiculous knives. But everyone knew me, and that was sort of "my" thing, and I had secure storage overnight since I had my own place to stay away from the kids.

I've heard lots of talk about "well 20-30 years ago we used to" and never, never take that at face value. Remember that times have changed. I've worked with gang kids that we were not told had violent backgrounds. I've had kids with FAE go from calm to stabby the moment they got near a pair of scissors (that was not fun when someone found out a box of stanley blades was missing......) One of the big things that I had to work against was older staff saying "we used to do it that way" and even the camps board of directors giving well meaning but foolish ideas based on their experiences in the 70s and 80s. A whole lot of that stuff is just plain not legal anymore, or the kids have no context in which to understand it. Remember, you don't know these kids. You don't know who has the anger control issues, or only has movie bad-asses for adult role models. I had kids get very disappointed that the air guns we used were not styled after video game guns. You also don't know which of you co-workers has the tendency to act like a 13 year old, or forgets which side of a knife is sharp.

Teach all kinds of skills, but be aware that you may be responsible for what those kids do with those skills. Traps are cool, but what is that going to look like in a newspaper? that kid might be totally cool with it, and maybe even their parents. But unless that is okay with the folks running the camp, its too big a nest of bees to mess with.

I'm not saying that its not a good idea to teach. I really enjoy teaching kids skills that are outside of their day to day lives. I've taught kids fire making, and how to use knives, archery and airguns. But I had the cover of my leadership team, and approval under the liability coverage. I've also seen the most innocent comment, or action get taken out of context and good people get blacklisted from working at camps. I know people who have been brought up on charges (ultimately they were dropped) because they stepped outside of the set boundary. If the kids are coming to the camp to learn wilderness skills, and the parents have sent them knowing what kind of skills those are, then thats cool, if its the kind of camp where everyone hangs out in tents for a week and goes on "nature walks" then just be mindful of what might offend someone. Its crappy, but its the world we find ourselves in.


And if the leadership want you to teach skills that are not part of the regular program, ask about the insurance. Because there is always that chance that something can go wrong, and you don't want to be the guy out in the cold on it. I really don't mean to be a spoil-sport. Just be very aware of what you are doing, and how it can be viewed out of context. Document stuff, and make sure you are covered, make sure the leadership are okay with what you are doing. Then have fun, I'm sure you will learn a lot, and it will be a great time.
 
Teach all kinds of skills, but be aware that you may be responsible for what those kids do with those skills. Traps are cool, but what is that going to look like in a newspaper? that kid might be totally cool with it, and maybe even their parents. But unless that is okay with the folks running the camp, its too big a nest of bees to mess with.

FYI, here's a summary of the rather extensive regulations for trapping in West Virginia.
http://www.wvsportsmen.com/trap_regs.cfm
 
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