J.A.HENCKELS PROFESSIONAL "S" , any good?

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Are these kitchen knifes any good?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2007865189


I am thinking I have seen J.A Henckels in the Target stores. If I remember correctly there seemed to be cheaper ones, $6-9 a steak knife and then they had what looked to be better built JA henckels and they were something like $30-40 for a steak knife.


I have a set of 15 year old Chicago Cutlery knives that the wooden handles are getting preaty bad on and was looking to replace them with some <b>GOOD</b> kitchen knives, with out wooden handles this time :)

What do you think about JA Henckels what else is out there that is good for the kitchen?

Thanks,
JP
 
Last Christmas I bought the set like you are looking at Macy's for over $300.00.Love them
 
It seems that most of the bigger knife companies have a couple different lines of product generally including s made in china line and a made in the home country line (Germany for Henckels and Wustoff/ Trident, France for Sabatier/ Japan for Global). The Pro S stuff is some of Henckels best. Henckels seems to have three levels as I have seen Chinese made models, Spanish made stuff (Costco) and the German stuff. Each company has a story about their steel and quenching process.

I have an 8" Pro S chef's knife and like it a lot. I also have a whole set of the French Sabatiers and like the balance of the 8" Sabatier a little more but that's a personal preference. My boss loves to cook and has a whole set of Pro S and really loves them. Edge holding seems to be comparable on both Sabatier Gourmet series and Henckels Pro S in our kitchen. Our counter looks a little strange as we have three knife blocks on it. There's a couple small blocks that hold an old set of Kershaw rubber handled knives (including a fully serrated 8" chef's knife), an old Chicago 8" chef's knife and some lower end Sabatier parers and peelers. These are known as my wife's knives (she has been known to cut on ceramic kitchen tiles). My knives (Full set of Sabatier Gourmet, NEVER used on ceramic tiles!)reside in another larger block. The Henckel Pro S 8" also lives in my block, but I've given it to her. Since getting the Pro S, she seems much more concious of using a cutting board to protect the edge. I think she's finally coming around.

My brother went to chef's school (then became an electrician, go figure) and says he's used all three (Henckels, Sabatier and Wusthoff) and that the Wusthoffs are the best for edge holding. I haven't used them so I can't comment.

For what it's worth, I have found Sabatier Gourmet and Henckels Pro S knives occasionaly at a national chain of store called Tuesday Morning. Great place if there's one near you. They're liquidators and deal in closeouts so their merchandise varies from time to time, but they usually have a cool selection of quality products at very good prices. I found a couple friends 8" Pro S chef's knives (Normally $110.00) for only $39.00! I got a smoking deal on a set of Henckels pots and pans @ 68% off retail! These are awesome cast aluminum nonstick similar to the All Clad Pro series, cookwear I would have never been able to afford at normal pricing(Yes I actually have Henckels pots and pans and it's not just a name thing, they really are rad to cook with). While the high end stuff comes and goes, so you have to visit regurlarly to get it, they always have lower end stuff by Sabatier and Henckels as well as Chicago stuff for real good prices. Great place to get knife newbies started on better kitchen cutlery.

Be careful taking the wife to Tuesday morning as they have similar deals on things like high end linens and stuff (who knew that bed sheets could cost $275 a set? Even at 60% off them sheets can really eat into the knife budget!).

My opinion, like always.

jmx

PS Sorry to run off at the keyboard, but you could also think about rehandling the Chicagos as a cool knifemaking project. Maybe a little linen micarta?

PPS I also bought my Sabatiers at Macy's at like a 40% off sale. My set is about the same mix as the link you listed except I don't have a 6" utility, but I did get a Chinese Cleaver (not sure about it still after 1.5 years). The 6" is the only knife I miss and I'll probably add a Kyocera ceramic in that size for vegtable work (salad doesn't brown if cut with ceramic). Not that I'm obsessed or anything...

PPPS To answer your question, $249 looks like a good price for a set of Pro S like that.

Edited because I'm an idiot and was thinking of Global and called them Imperial knives.
 
What a coincidence. I was just admiring a Henckel's folder alled Twin Snap which had a 440 steel and it looks very well made.

What's the assessment on this particular blade?
 
Professional S is one of Henckels' top line product lines. They are made by Henckels in Solingen, Germany and they are excellent. Years ago the top line Henckels' were forged but they aren't any longer. They are now blocked and welded. So if you believe, as many do, that forging makes a better knife then you might be happier with one of the forged lines from Wusthof or Sabatier or others. But if you aren't in that camp, then these are about as good as they get. If you can buy this set for around $300 or less then it would be a great buy. Take care.
 
Originally posted by Knife Outlet
Professional S is one of Henckels' top line product lines. They are made by Henckels in Solingen, Germany and they are excellent. Years ago the top line Henckels' were forged but they aren't any longer. They are now blocked and welded. So if you believe, as many do, that forging makes a better knife then you might be happier with one of the forged lines from Wusthof or Sabatier or others. But if you aren't in that camp, then these are about as good as they get. If you can buy this set for around $300 or less then it would be a great buy. Take care.

Was out knife shopping today. Got a J.A Henckels International Forged Pro 6 inch Utility Knife.

Say's Hot Drop Forged - No Stain Steel.
On the blade say's made in spain.

What can you tell me about this one?
It is differant then the one's I was looking at on ebay correct?

It says Forged, is it forged like the Germany made ones use to be?
Thought I would try one and see what I thought of it and what the knife guys :) could tell me about them befor i got any more.

Looks like a well made knife. Did not think it was real cheap, paid $30 for it.

Whats your thoughts on it?

As always thanks for the info.



pahl
 
I sell Henckels, Messermeister, Wusthoff Trident and Globals. And, while my sales rep would kill me, my least favorite is Henckels.

Here's why. Anything over 6 inches has been welded. Check any of the block set boxes and there's a little notation that says something like that. They are often brittle and snap sometimes. (I had a 4-Star break in my hand while showing it and I am not Arnold Swarzwenegger!) They hold an ok edge, but look at the blade shape on a 6" Chef. It is blocky. That makes it difficult to get a good roll going when chopping. The International series you mentioned, I believe, to be good value for the money. They are made in Spain. Not to be confused with the ones Costco sells. Made in France. (and the warranty on those knives won't be honored by most stores as only Costco can access those French ones. I think.)

Wusthoff- Great knife. Holds an excellent edge. Nice blade shape, feels good in the hand. Rated number one in consumer reports.

Messermeister: My personal favorite. Same steel as Wusthoff. One piece forge. Here's what I like. The bolster is ground down making it easier to choke up on the blade. Also, the newer knives have a hand honed edge. They are beautiful and they hold an excellent edge.

I don't think you will be unhappy with Henckels. They own the market for a reason. But there are other great products out there.
 
In the German Block Set price range, you can get custom knives that will work just as well or better.

In my case, George Tichbourne knives. I've got a K-6 and a K-3. Both are excellant knives for their pricepoint and intended use.

Right in the middle, I have a Trace Rinaldi TTKK. This knife is a near legend in my book.

I also have a Henckels Pro-S Chinese Cleaver and a Spyderco Santuko. For under $40, both of these are great values.
 
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