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Jk,
Sitting sharpening my knife & thinking of friends ,situations & events long gone.One friend really came up in my thoughts.He reminded me of you & your Dad.He was telling me(long ago)about Bill Jordan coming to visit his Dad .His Dad had worked with Bill in the BP.Told me his Dad wouldn't talk about those days. He said he always wondered if his Dad was good with a gun.That
is until one day in the mountains camping he saw His Dad work a pistol,told me it was one of the fastest things he ever saw.his hand & eye cordination was unreal!
Sooo,a request from an old guy,could you recall some more stories about your Dad ,his 22 & his peanut!
Thanks for your tme,
Jim
 
do'nt mean to hi-jack this but i rememder when big bill was touring & giving demos to police depts. his speciality was shooting aspirins at 8 ft. from the hip with wax bullets.of course this was after a lightnin fast draw with his s & w combat magnum.a true quick draw can kill a man whom is already pointing a gun at him. i saw a demo without ammo & asked the shooter how it was possible. he said by the time the man's brain registered you were drawing you had already killed him.i would'nt have beleived it but i saw the demostration.
 
DennisStrickland said:
do'nt mean to hi-jack this but i rememder when big bill was touring & giving demos to police depts. his speciality was shooting aspirins at 8 ft. from the hip with wax bullets.of course this was after a lightnin fast draw with his s & w combat magnum.a true quick draw can kill a man whom is already pointing a gun at him. i saw a demo without ammo & asked the shooter how it was possible. he said by the time the man's brain registered you were drawing you had already killed him.i would'nt have beleived it but i saw the demostration.
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Very interesting I didn't know that. See it is true we learn something new everyday! :eek:
 
Ask, and ye shall receive.

I have some time after our Friday breakfast get together in the morning, I'll get something out. Dad was a bit of a strange bird. He didn't make a big thing out of shooting, and when he came home from the war he didn't hunt, but he did like to plink. since his only gun was the Colt woodsman, it was used for everything. And dad did have a dark side to him, and the .22 was his chosen weapon for reasons only he knew. He was good with that little woodsman. I really believe that if he was dropped in someplace with that Colt and his peanut, and his Zippo lighter, you could come back in a few months and he'd feed you venison steak on the porch of the cabin he'd built. Okay, maybe rabbit stew in a hut.
 
Did your dad, by chance, have small hands, jackknife?
The peanut and the Colt Woodsman would lead me to think that.
My father had small hands. He always carried a Gerber MKII fixed blade and a snub-nose .38 special.
 
one thing is for sure your dad had good taste in pistols. the colt woodsman is now a very expensive collectors piece. in the early days few 22s could bet it for accuracy. this auto could shoot with the best of the revolvers.really it was the 60s when hi-standard started to esclispe the accuracy of the woodsman.no company ever surpassed the famous colt bluing.
 
jackknife said:
I really believe that if he was dropped in someplace with that Colt and his peanut, and his Zippo lighter, you could come back in a few months and he'd feed you venison steak on the porch of the cabin he'd built. Okay, maybe rabbit stew in a hut.
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Carl, at least he'd still be alive! Under similar conditions, most people today would starve to death: no debit card, no supermarket = no food. ;)
 
Jackknife for president.....We need a president that can sit on the front steps of the Whitehouse and whittle away tension......
 
DennisStrickland said:
a true quick draw can kill a man whom is already pointing a gun at him. i saw a demo without ammo & asked the shooter how it was possible. he said by the time the man's brain registered you were drawing you had already killed him.i would'nt have beleived it but i saw the demostration.
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Not trying to derail any further, but I had a demonstration of this done for me, and I got to play the part of the man "pointing" the gun at the quick draw artist.
The guy that showed me this was trying to bet me a pair of tires for his car that he could draw, cock, and fire his single action Colt revolver before I could just squeeze the trigger on my Colt 1911.
I was 22 years old, he was about 60. I was in the best shape of my life, he was a retired Marine, who couldn't bend one of his knees anymore, and probably should have considered a wheelchair, or at least a cane to help him get around.
We were at the tire store I was managing at the time, so no live ammo was involved. The two guns made very different sounds when dry fired so it would not be hard to tell who won. I was to have my pistol in my hand with the hammer back, safety off, and finger on the trigger. His pistol was not cocked, holstered, and his hand was to be at his side not touching the gun.
I was young, but had by that time learned the hard way never to bet a man at his own game, so I think we bet $5 or something like that I could actually stand to lose.
Let me tell you it wasn't even close. I mean maybe a tenth of a second or so, but there was no doubt he "fired" first. The man's hands were like lightening and there was just no way to wait for him to move and beat him to the shot, not possible.
As a result of that little eye opening experience I decided there are only 2 things I will do should I find myself with the drop on an armed opponent, shoot him, or stay the hell out of his way. Saying "Stop or I'll shoot!" or "Drop the gun!" or other such nonsense will only give your opponent an advantage they otherwise would not have had, and could very possibly cost you your life.
 
FLymon said:
Not trying to derail any further, but I had a demonstration of this done for me, and I got to play the part of the man "pointing" the gun at the quick draw artist.
The guy that showed me this was trying to bet me a pair of tires for his car that he could draw, cock, and fire his single action Colt revolver before I could just squeeze the trigger on my Colt 1911.
I was 22 years old, he was about 60. I was in the best shape of my life, he was a retired Marine, who couldn't bend one of his knees anymore, and probably should have considered a wheelchair, or at least a cane to help him get around.
We were at the tire store I was managing at the time, so no live ammo was involved. The two guns made very different sounds when dry fired so it would not be hard to tell who won. I was to have my pistol in my hand with the hammer back, safety off, and finger on the trigger. His pistol was not cocked, holstered, and his hand was to be at his side not touching the gun.
I was young, but had by that time learned the hard way never to bet a man at his own game, so I think we bet $5 or something like that I could actually stand to lose.
Let me tell you it wasn't even close. I mean maybe a tenth of a second or so, but there was no doubt he "fired" first. The man's hands were like lightening and there was just no way to wait for him to move and beat him to the shot, not possible.
As a result of that little eye opening experience I decided there are only 2 things I will do should I find myself with the drop on an armed opponent, shoot him, or stay the hell out of his way. Saying "Stop or I'll shoot!" or "Drop the gun!" or other such nonsense will only give your opponent an advantage they otherwise would not have had, and could very possibly cost you your life.
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It really is crazy to think that there are people out there who can be that fast. Just years of practice.
 
DennisStrickland said:
.....a true quick draw can kill a man whom is already pointing a gun at him. i saw a demo without ammo & asked the shooter how it was possible. he said by the time the man's brain registered you were drawing you had already killed him.i would'nt have beleived it but i saw the demostration.
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I believe you and Flymon. I would really like to see that in person - it must be truly amazing!!! (Again, no intent to hijack the thread ;)).
 
Hey Flymon, was the old man using a quick draw rig like an old west gunslinger setup? If so i can believe it because once you see guys like Bob Munden or Howard Darby you come to believe anything is possible. Bob Munden says quick draw is in the Guiness book as the fastest thing a human being can do.

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Guys,
Ya'll are forgetting he famous words spoken of those who are quick drawed! Those fmous words are....Wait a minite...."I"WASN'T READY"!!LOL
As for that MARINE...don't feel too bad.With me it was a knife! I was 16,Young,Imortal & STUPID!! That fat ,bald old WW2 MARINE,taught me a lesson I've never forgotten.I mean I learned how to use a knife & carried all the time.He was a friend of my parents,I remember holding a carved wooden knife & made a move,I was going to take it easy,I mean,HE was OLD! He smiled....Then it happened....that OLD man ...would have killed me!Ya'll have ANY idea what that feels like!!LOL! Another OLD MAN,summed it up when he said(after blocking my round house with his elbow grabbing me by my *****
leaning forward & wispering ,Boy(I was 22)when you get old,you just cut out all the fancy moves!!
Sorry to be so windy JK!
Jim
 
ddml said:
Did your dad, by chance, have small hands, jackknife?
The peanut and the Colt Woodsman would lead me to think that.
My father had small hands. He always carried a Gerber MKII fixed blade and a snub-nose .38 special.
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He was a compact guy, about 5' 7 or 8", about 150 pounds. Deffinatly not a big guy. But he could do a hell of a Bogy imitation. Looked enough like him that when he'd come home wearing his old trench coat and fedora, he'd call mom "Shweetheart" and it always got a laugh.

I think he just bonded with the woodsman and peanut. The pre-war woodsman had no equal in fit and finish, and on top of the quality, it had a trimness and felt just sooo right in the hand. Perfect balance, and very accurite. Extremely reliable.

He like the peanut, because he traveled a lot, and wanted something small enough to be un-remarkable, but still cut with. Plus his mother gave it to him as they were standing on the train platform the morning he was leaving home for the first time, to go off to the university. The first of his watermen family to do so. Grandmother thought it was a more fitting knife for an academic in a suit than his big old sailors clasp knife. I think he carried it in part because of the sentiment, and something from home when he went off to the war in Europe. After that, he was just used to it, and he didn't like to change when he was used to something.
 
crossada said:
Hey Flymon, was the old man using a quick draw rig like an old west gunslinger setup?
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Yes, not a holster you would actually carry a gun in for any length of time, or activity, but rather made for the quick draw.

You will lose a little sleep thinking about that after you see it person like I did, I can assure you.
 
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