Jacque Fressco, genius or whack job futurist

[T. Erdelyi]

Saw a documentary on this guy (Jacque Fressco Look him up on netflik or the web, he was way ahead of the rest of us when it came to engineerin'things, worlds,/soceity.

He was a visionary who took all aspects of our live and showed how when we share our natural resources we can become more civilized, we're not civilized yet, we're still civilizing.

Jacque Fresco

"We talk about civilization as though it’s a static state. There are no civilized people yet, it’s a process that’s constantly going on… As long as you have war, police, prisons, crime, you are in the early stages of civilization.”

“I have no notions of a perfect society, I don’t know what that means. I know we can do much better than what we’ve got, I’m no utopian, I’m not a humanist that would like to see everybody living in warmth and harmony: I know that if we don’t live that way, we’ll kill each other and destroy the Earth.”

“War, poverty, corruption, hunger, misery, human suffering will not change in a monetary system. That is, there will be very little significant change. It’s going to take the redesign of our culture and values.”

“In my work I am not attempting to predict the future. I am only pointing out what is possible with the intelligent application and humane use of science and technology.”

“The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture.”

“The Venus Project is a concept that could happen today but it is not up to me, it depends on what others do to help bring it about.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco

 

[Thrustus]

If man and Humanism had the answers surely we would have worked it out by now. All animals if left to themselves would have worked out a happy balance but man can't. Logic won't work because man is a sinner, the problem is spiritual and the problem won't be solved until Jesus Christ returns. Just my opinion.

 

[hung-solo]

If man and Humanism had the answers surely we would have worked it out by now. All animals if left to themselves would have worked out a happy balance but man can't. Logic won't work because man is a sinner, the problem is spiritual and the problem won't be solved until Jesus Christ returns. Just my opinion.

interesting reply. you know you have a good point here in regards to the spriritual/ religion aspect of it. By nature humans are greedy, violent, untrustworthy, etc etc etc... what made us better over all? as much as it pains me to say it sometimes, religion. i am not a huge fan of organized religion bc of the some of the most hateful things in human history was started by religion. HOWEVER, you can see it as "religion is great, its just that bad humans tainted it". which i believe as well. religion is power and when in the wrong hands is evil power (church of england, etc etc).

imagine if we have a true collapse of society. what will happen?? anarchy, chaos, survival of the fittest, etc... what keeps most of us from doing this all along and more consistantly? religion. religion taught us basically how to behave and has their set of "laws" we must abide by making society, well a society. i hope that made some sense. i am running a high fever, at work and pissed off. damn ticks!

also something i have thought about. which laws are stronger? Man's laws or religious laws? i think we all know the answer.

 

[mwerner]

Not to start a war... But historically religion has been vastly divisive and the cause of many extremely destructive wars, repression, persecution, inquisitions....
Even among members of ostensibly the same religion, strife and schism have been constant. Look at the Protestant-Catholic wars that wracked Europe for over 100 years. And continues to smoulder beneath the surface in Ireland.

Look at what's going on in the Middle East. Fractious members of the same religion but different sects merrily blowing each other up.
Humanism came into existence as a response to the massive destruction of WWI, when numbers of intellectuals were apalled at the carnage wrought by the same old human problems of nationalism, religion, and racism.
The Humanist Manifesto presents the outline for societies based on respect for human rights.

Personally, I don't hold out much hope for a unified, peaceful world. Not because of religious edicts or human laws, however... Because of human nature. We are essentially the same people that emerged 100,000 years ago; Homo Sapiens Sapiens or modern man. We are still heir to the same tendencies and behaviors as our ancestors.
Many of these served our ancestors well, when they were living as small clans or families of hunter-gatherers.
They do not serve us well now as modern, technologically-advanced beings.

We still think in terms of clans or groups, which gives rise to Nationalism. We are still highly acquisitive, which leads to the accumulation of great wealth to no purpose, and jealousy of those that do so. We are still given to violent rages, and emotion overpowering our rational minds. And we still fear "the other".

 

[T. Erdelyi]

Keep in mind we've only been semi evovled for a short span of time in relation to the time line of of the earths existence.

Also I Believe in a higher power but would a compassionate, loving God put us here on earth and just leave us to our own devices until he calls us home and then judge us.

We make our life choices based on our environment and past history, (basically what we're told by the people whose opinons we respect at the time until they fail us, then we change our beliefs to accommodate the new majority.

That's the evolution of society, which encompasses moral beliefs, education, common sense distribution ot our resources, (material and intellectual, scientific facts, (those change over time, remember we used to believe that the earth was flat and the center of the universe until science proved otherwise) and personal happiness.

We have a long way to go till we become civilized but the process of civilizing is an on going process that has to constantly be compared to the past and adjusted for the future.

Where religion comes into play is faith that our fellow man has the same morals and values as we do and hope that everything works out in the end, unfortunatly when we have blind faith in our leaders, both religious and political, fanaticism can develop a momentum of it's own there by leading to differences of opinions determined by geography, resources and enviroment.

Hung Solo, get treated for the tick bite, I was diagnosed with lyme disease last year and nearly lost my eyesight in my left eye because of it.

 

[Morrow]

Please keep in mind religious discussion is restricted to the Political Arena. The first post of this thread is only one that is on topic. Please get it back on the rails or it gets moved to the PA.

Thanks

Jason

 

[T. Erdelyi]

I think it boils down to the have's and have nots, so long as someone has something someone else has, there's gonna be conflict and bad feelings, which eventually leads to war.

 

[hung-solo]

Not to start a war... But historically religion has been vastly divisive and the cause of many extremely destructive wars, repression, persecution, inquisitions....
Even among members of ostensibly the same religion, strife and schism have been constant. Look at the Protestant-Catholic wars that wracked Europe for over 100 years. And continues to smoulder beneath the surface in Ireland.

Look at what's going on in the Middle East. Fractious members of the same religion but different sects merrily blowing each other up.
Humanism came into existence as a response to the massive destruction of WWI, when numbers of intellectuals were apalled at the carnage wrought by the same old human problems of nationalism, religion, and racism.
The Humanist Manifesto presents the outline for societies based on respect for human rights.

Personally, I don't hold out much hope for a unified, peaceful world. Not because of religious edicts or human laws, however... Because of human nature. We are essentially the same people that emerged 100,000 years ago; Homo Sapiens Sapiens or modern man. We are still heir to the same tendencies and behaviors as our ancestors.
Many of these served our ancestors well, when they were living as small clans or families of hunter-gatherers.
They do not serve us well now as modern, technologically-advanced beings.

We still think in terms of clans or groups, which gives rise to Nationalism. We are still highly acquisitive, which leads to the accumulation of great wealth to no purpose, and jealousy of those that do so. We are still given to violent rages, and emotion overpowering our rational minds. And we still fear "the other".

in bold -- you are exactly right... however, isnt that "man" polluting religion? no where in the texts did it tell them to do those cold blooded acts right? so thats man polluting religion, not religion being religion... hope that made sense

 

[T. Erdelyi]

I'll save the move, I just found the mans visions fantastic but I can see where this could turn into a PA throw down.