Jaktkit Knv2 Gen II Swedish Designed Huntining and camp knife

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Hi all here is a recent field test I did using the Knv2 GennII knife made from 99Cr18MoV stainless and with a Rockwell of 59. See what you reckon. Oh and despite doing some chopping, hey it's a hunting knife not a chopper. Just thought I add that before anyone gets too excited and tells me off for not using an axe, as I was just seeing what it could do :) Enjoy.

FCCBCT[video=youtube;eWiDnjml8fA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWiDnjml8fA[/video]
 
Hi there!

Interesting review but not so many tests/tasks for the knife, as you are used to in your reviews, this time :).

My non-professional opinion, as week-end hiker and knives hobbyist is this is very very similar to the F1 (a bit too much :D). It has a couple of things which I like more and others I like less.

I like more the grind (at least “on papers”, so to say) and I like more the sheath (compared to the Zytel one, not the leather one which is for me really good).

I like less the thickness of the blade (for me, even 1 mm more with this blade length makes a difference in slicing and carving tasks), the steel and the lack of fantasy and creativity. This really looks a F1 clone :confused:. About the steel also I have a question: I don’t find this 99Cr18MoV anywhere else but in the Jactkit website. I have heard about 9Cr18MoV instead, which, to my knowledge is a steel very commonly produced and used in China. So I trust that design, engineering, testing, etc. are done in Sweden, but I have some doubt this is really produced there. Does it say where it's made?

I don’t generally talk about prices, but here I have to say one thing: this knives comes with a price around 100 EUR, from the web-site (998 kr). With 30-40 EUR more I can get a F1, surely made in JP and with an unquestioned reputation and performance "history". Why should I buy this :confused:?
 
Herlock said:
Hi there!

Interesting review but not so many tests/tasks for the knife, as you are used to in your reviews, this time :).

My non-professional opinion, as week-end hiker and knives hobbyist is this is very very similar to the F1 (a bit too much :D). It has a couple of things which I like more and others I like less.

I like more the grind (at least “on papers”, so to say) and I like more the sheath (compared to the Zytel one, not the leather one which is for me really good).

I like less the thickness of the blade (for me, even 1 mm more with this blade length makes a difference in slicing and carving tasks), the steel and the lack of fantasy and creativity. This really looks a F1 clone :confused:. About the steel also I have a question: I don’t find this 99Cr18MoV anywhere else but in the Jactkit website. I have heard about 9Cr18MoV instead, which, to my knowledge is a steel very commonly produced and used in China. So I trust that design, engineering, testing, etc. are done in Sweden, but I have some doubt this is really produced there. Does it say where it's made?

I don’t generally talk about prices, but here I have to say one thing: this knives comes with a price around 100 EUR, from the web-site (998 kr). With 30-40 EUR more I can get a F1, surely made in JP and with an unquestioned reputation and performance "history". Why should I buy this :confused:?
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Hi sorry about the late reply! Thanks for commenting as usual too.

Yes there were much fewer tests performed than usual and this was simply because I had many subscribers saying the vids were just too long. What wasn't edited in the final cut was more battoning; carving more meats off the bone; general carving of seasoned cherry (to make traps) and some veggie cutting. The steel isn't listed anywhere else as they told me that this 99Cr18MoV was co developed by them and their raw material supplier, so to me this makes sense. One thing I did forget to say in my review was about the grip. (another German guy however, did mention it) and that was unlike the F1 there is a nice palm swell and the TPEE formulation feels much less like the rubbery feel and blocky design of the F1, at least when I compare it to the F1 in my hands. That was one of the reasons I put off buying an F1 for so long and also it just seems too thick for such a short blade, a bit overkill as apposed to super strong?

All I can say is as you know from my reviews this IS a big deviation for me getting a Chinese made knife (not being Racist-look at my face LOL)-(albeit designed in Sweden) but It didn't let me down.
Like many of my reviews I will be continuing to show the use of this knife over long term and it will be going with me to Oz later this quarter for a bashing out there, so it already has a place along with 80kg of filming equipment (for real job)
The scabbard the Knv2 comes with as standard is leaps and bounds above the basic F1 and if I'm going to spend the bigger bucks on the F1 I do want a better scabbard (famous or not famous brand) JMHO.

Yes it is made off shore in China. But it is definitely designed in Sweden.
 
FCCBCT said:
Hi all here is a recent field test I did using the Knv2 GennII knife made from 99Cr18MoV stainless and with a Rockwell of 59. See what you reckon. Oh and despite doing some chopping, hey it's a hunting knife not a chopper. Just thought I add that before anyone gets too excited and tells me off for not using an axe, as I was just seeing what it could do :) Enjoy.

FCCBCT[video=youtube;eWiDnjml8fA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWiDnjml8fA[/video]
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Google Jaktkit and you will find it.
 
FCCBCT said:
...Yes it is made off shore in China. But it is definitely designed in Sweden.
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That makes it a Chinese knife; nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is calling it "Swedish" and not mentioning the country of origin. It also appears they don't put the country of origin on the blade. If they obfuscate the parentage of the knife, can you believe any of their hype?

At a Rockwell of 59, it sure smells like 9Cr18MoV :) That's the hardness CRKT runs 9Cr18MoV. It's probably made in the same factory as a CRKT, who always identifies the country of origin.
 
brownshoe said:
That makes it a Chinese knife; nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is calling it "Swedish" and not mentioning the country of origin. It also appears they don't put the country of origin on the blade. If they obfuscate the parentage of the knife, can you believe any of their hype?

At a Rockwell of 59, it sure smells like 9Cr18MoV :) That's the hardness CRKT runs 9Cr18MoV. It's probably made in the same factory as a CRKT, who always identifies the country of origin.
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Hi brownshoe,

Thanks for your views:
Just to put things into perspective first:
As I’ve said on previous posts here on BF, I do my YT reviews for fun, I don’t get paid in anyway for them. There are two reasons why this is like that. Firstly, I have a “proper job”, as my aged parents like to say to me, as I was growing up LOL!

Secondly, I figure, if I was getting paid by manufactures or others, then this would produce a bias on what I say regardless of how hard one would try to avoid this. That’s only natural. Also as a responsible and dedicated scientist I know I must strive to avoid situations like this, so it’s sort of ingrained in me.
So this brings me to my review. I took my Knv2 out and about, gave it a thrashing but not abuse. It’s didn’t loose it's edge over 2 weeks of things I wouldn’t necessarily do over two weeks of camping; didn’t corrode; cut up meat off the bone without me having to touch the edge or make a mess of it; took a beating on some unnecessary lateral loads; carved cherry and hazel with it (both seasoned for about 6 months) and did some ridiculous chopping with it ( that part just for the video). None of those tasks was I let down by this knife. I certainly didn’t have a problem with the comfortable grip with it’s palm swell either. The scabbard was very well made and I can remove the knife with one hand, there is no rattle and it doesn’t come flying out when I’m on the move pursuing game. That was the outcome from my tests and that’s just how it happened to be for me.

However, aside from my review (I’ve seen many others on YouTube land), the jaktkit Knv2 knife received the highest test score of all the Swedish knives by reputable Bushcraft.nl, outperforming the fine knives from both Fallkniven (A1, F1, S1) and Morakniven (Pathfinder & Tactical SRT). BTW I’ve got nothing to do with these guys nor am I associated with them or their tests/results. You can see their review here.

http://www.bushcraft.nl/jaktkit
http://www.bushcraft.nl/messen-reviews

Regarding your concerns about:

"made in..." or "country of origin" on products, doesn’t make sense when value chains from know-how and R and D to finished products span many continents. It becomes so judgmental that companies in many EU countries have stopped this practice. It is only mandatory for food items as one might expect.

59 HRC is in the recommended final hardness during the heat treatment regime for a great many blade steel alloys, so just because one knows the hardness one can not make a deduction about the alloy’s elemental composition, as in the example you give.
In a former job, I taught university students basic metallurgy, re crystal structure; fractures etc etc and EDAX and quantitative EDAX (Energy Dispersive Analysis of X-rays. I would never have only recommended this technique to determine elemental composition of an alloy, let alone tell them they can work it out from the Rockwell hardness of the material (which is definitely an incorrect approach to determining the elemental composition of a steel alloy) ☺.

Check this link out, it might be what you are looking for regarding the alloy composition of the Knv2 knife.

http://www.jaktkit.com/en/content/15-99cr18mov-steel


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FCCBCT
 
It's a clear Fällkniven F1 clone with an A1 handle but I like it better.

Aesthetically and design wise I think it's superior to the F1.
 
I don't deny your testing or your results. I just question Jactkit's marketing statements regarding their steel. I also believe the country of origin of a knife is important and truthfulness in this area is a metric for a quality product and a trustworthy company. I own knives from China, Taiwan, Korea, US, France, etc.

From what I've read, the first number in the designation is carbon the second is the % of the preceding element, Cr, thus 9Cr18MoV is 0.9% Carbon, 18% Chromium with Mo and V present.

Per 99Cr18MoV, it's not possible to have 99% Carbon in steel.

As noted by Herlock, the 99Cr18MoV only exists on the Jactkit site, but 9Cr18MoV can be found many places. So if they obfuscate concerning country of origin, why trust their statements about the steel?

Of course nobody would elucidate elemental structure of steel from the hardness, but since 9Cr18MoV is the most common "premium" chinese steel, it's an educated guess. You don't need no darn XRD, ICP or ICP-MS to do that.

Your statements regarding your being independent of Jacktkit and your past teaching experience are spurious to this discussion.
 
The company page you linked to is definitely attempting to make the simple 9C steel seem like it is something bigger and better than it really is. 440C on steroids? Please! The statement about the high speed operators using it is another give away. We have seen it all over the decades.

Looking at the posted specs it is a recycled steel, ingot naturally and not very clean judging by the impurities in it. Please don't try to sell the impurities as a something special. That would be insulting after all. :)

"made in..." or "country of origin" on products, doesn’t make sense when value chains from know-how and R and D to finished products span many continents. It becomes so judgmental that companies in many EU countries have stopped this practice. It is only mandatory for food items as one might expect.
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In other words, if everybody else is doing it it must be ok, right? :)


That should be about a $25-35 knife here in the US imported from China ( MSRP, not sale price) It's the usual 440C spec ( attempt) steel from china and I'd guess that with that level of carbon, at that hardness with all those impurities it wouldn't take much work to make that edge fail.

I wouldn't take one for free, to be honest. I could think of no use for it especially when high quality knives are so easily available now.

I hope you really don't have a financial stake in these FCCBCT.
 
The Mastiff said:
The company page you linked to is definitely attempting to make the simple 9C steel seem like it is something bigger and better than it really is. 440C on steroids? Please! The statement about the high speed operators using it is another give away. We have seen it all over the decades.

Looking at the posted specs it is a recycled steel, ingot naturally and not very clean judging by the impurities in it. Please don't try to sell the impurities as a something special. That would be insulting after all. :)



In other words, if everybody else is doing it it must be ok, right? :)


That should be about a $25-35 knife here in the US imported from China ( MSRP, not sale price) It's the usual 440C spec ( attempt) steel from china and I'd guess that with that level of carbon, at that hardness with all those impurities it wouldn't take much work to make that edge fail.

I wouldn't take one for free, to be honest. I could think of no use for it especially when high quality knives are so easily available now.

I hope you really don't have a financial stake in these FCCBCT.
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Hi there, well I've said what I've said you can take it anyway you want. You don't have to like: me, my reviews or the stuff I review, or what I say. It makes no difference to me. I simply once and a while post a review to BF. I call it as I see it. Many don't like this characteristic Aussie attitude. I apologise for nothing. (OMG this might start an Aussie bashing thing-whoops!)

Thanks for your heart felt concerns re my financial status. :) I'll say it again here especially for you. I don't have the financial support of anyone except myself working in a "real job" which BTW has nothing even remotely connected with knives in this dimension or any other, including the Twilight Zone LOL!



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brownshoe said:
I don't deny your testing or your results. I just question Jactkit's marketing statements regarding their steel. I also believe the country of origin of a knife is important and truthfulness in this area is a metric for a quality product and a trustworthy company. I own knives from China, Taiwan, Korea, US, France, etc.

From what I've read, the first number in the designation is carbon the second is the % of the preceding element, Cr, thus 9Cr18MoV is 0.9% Carbon, 18% Chromium with Mo and V present.

Per 99Cr18MoV, it's not possible to have 99% Carbon in steel.

As noted by Herlock, the 99Cr18MoV only exists on the Jactkit site, but 9Cr18MoV can be found many places. So if they obfuscate concerning country of origin, why trust their statements about the steel?

Of course nobody would elucidate elemental structure of steel from the hardness, but since 9Cr18MoV is the most common "premium" chinese steel, it's an educated guess. You don't need no darn XRD, ICP or ICP-MS to do that.

Your statements regarding your being independent of Jacktkit and your past teaching experience are spurious to this discussion.
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Ah, you are a beauty! if you throw terms at me like this then you def know exactly what I mean and are just stirring the pot(I've seen and read many of your posts- playing both sides LOL) LOL. Stupid me, touché to you!

I only care about the end product, so if it's XZTYV66W12P7C alloy super martensitic VCo enhanced steel, then good on them.

I now to that u go around this forum corecting people on their grammer: sorry teach, I'll try beter next time.!

FCCBCT.

Oh you can have the last word, I really don't mind, I must get back to the real job -until next time!
 
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