James Keating's Tomahawk #2 Review

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Ok, same as last time, I'm gonna try and do this objectively, review by chapter, and stick to the highlights. I'm actually watching the DVD while writing this, so you're getting my opinions as they cross my mind.

The Review

This is a review of the second DVD in ComTech's Tomahawk line. Not the second in a series, per se, but it does mostly assume you've watched the first one or at least know the basics of tomahawk planar movements.

The first thing that is noticeable is that Jim is outside in what looks like a gravel pit, which is a nice change of scenery from the first DVD (which took place mostly in his dojo). This one has better lighting and removes some of the sound issues that I noticed in the first one.

Section 1: Intro - Jim begins by comparing the modern "tactical" tomahawks to the "traditional" ones, listing how the biggest benefits are seen in durability (synthetic handles vs. wooden ones) and when blocking with the head of the tomahawk (permanent pressed-on heads vs. friction held-on heads). Jim then moves on to a very basic Figure-8 movement which is quickly modified by a "rolling transfer" of the 'hawk from hand to hand during the Fg-8 (not seen in the first DVD). He emphasizes that footwork and movement is very important when fighting with a 'hawk. A quick demonstration on thick cardboard shows the effectiveness of the spike end of a 'hawk. Jim then runs through some circular movements and talks about hooking vs. chopping ("If you miss, you hook"). A little discussion talks about carrying the 'hawk and what locations Jim likes and dislikes.

Section 2: Accuracy and targeting - Jim uses a sheathed tomahawk versus an assistant armed with a shovel (to represent an arm, leg, rifle/bayonet, etc...). He uses the 'hawk to deflect the head of the shovel, discussing use of the empty hand for controlling the enemy's weapon once deflected

Section 3: Coordinated Drills - This section is started by Jim talking about the various working parts of the 'hawk (chopping edge, point, flat of the blade, haft, and butt of the haft). He follows up with a drill similar to one seen in the first DVD where he practices blocking/passing/striking with the butt of the haft. There is discussion about using the blade instead of the butt, but Jim insists this drill is to help build "base level" muscle memory. A quick full speed demonstration where they shuffle their feet in a circle is very good at relaying the effectiveness of this exercise.

There is one part where Jim talks about quickly drawing the 'hawk from its sheath by sort of tossing it out of its sheath and catching it for rapid deployment. I can see it being very quickly done, but I also see it being hard to do in a combat situation. When the adrenaline is flowing, I can see someone doing this move and literally launching the 'hawk out of its sheath and missing the catch entirely, leaving them defenseless against an oncoming attacker.

Jim continues this section by talking about using the haft to control/crush limbs when blocking/trapping. Several of his demonstrated moves are very effective that I like very much. They also do not appear to be very hard to utilize quickly, which is a benefit in combat. This section is ended with a very heart-felt monologue by Jim emphasizing that it takes more than training to win a fight and come home alive. I really got the feeling (and appreciated) that Jim cares very much about those who buy his videos because they might have to actually use the knowledge they gain.

Section 3: "6 Strokes, a Hand-grab, and Pass" - This section is mostly about the above quoted moves in a partner drill that involves grabbing the opponent and jerking them to a new location. Initially I was unimpressed with this drill, but after Jim goes in to explaining the drill, it made a lot more sense to combative use. The idea of moving the enemy (whether by grabbing the hand, arm, hair, vest, etc...) is something that needs to be trained and gotten use to because it's very likely to happen (or be necessary) in combat.

Jim continues to go on with a hooking/trapping section that reminds me, again, a lot of the first DVD. There are some differences, though. He discusses striking instead of hooking/passing, as well as the more vicious applications of the tomahawk and its spike ("ridge hand" type strike to the temple, spike to the mouth, etc...) and why the tomahawk is a feared weapon. I like how he talks about how, other than the knife, the tomahawk is the only other "old" melee weapon that has made it into the 21st century (warfare).

Section 4: Double-Weapon Use - builds on the passing techniques of the last section by using a 'hawk and a knife ("which could be conceptualized into something like a long screwdriver") instead of a free hand. Emphasis is given on moving yourself (the target) out of the way of the enemy weapon while engaging the opponent's weapons. This section is very offensive in the sense that there is less movement of the opponent's weapon hands w/o damaging them first.

Jim demonstrates a move that he calls "The Tornado" that used to produce sensory overload in the opponent by striking the weapon/weapon-hand twice and finishing up with a strike to the body. It seems very odd at first, but it has very sound reasoning; however, I don't see the "double-tap" effect being as valuable as another rapid strike somewhere else in the target area. Jim addresses this (other people's opinions) so that you can formulate your own opinion about it.

Section 5: 'Hawk and Knife in Reverse Grip - This section is similar to the previous section, but is much closer (combat-wise). I like this section a lot because Jim does a lot of trapping/hooking with the knife and 'hawk while controlling the enemy (scissor-type traps/arm-bars, pushing the enemy over, etc...). It's very "in your face" combat and shows what I feel is the real benefit of using the 'hawk and knife in combat.

Section 6: Combat Sets - Jim demonstrates a few take-down moves using the 'hawk and knife. I like the majority of the ones he does, but a few of them seem needlessly excessive in the number of moves between ENGAGING the enemy and EXECUTING the enemy. Of course, this assumes your goal is to kill the enemy. The good thing about these moves is that they can easily be adapted to taking a live opponent. This section ends fairly abruptly which caught me off guard the first time I watched it.

Final Thoughts

This video is about 25 minutes longer than the first one, but the same price, so it is definitely a good buy for the money you spend. This video is definitely targeted at people that may use the tomahawk in actual combat - soldiers, police officers, etc... - which I think is nice. The pace with this video isn't quite as fast as the first one, which could explain the longer run time. Either way, it was helpful to be a little slower and explain things better.

Easily, my favorite section was Section 5, with Section 2 or 3 being my next favorite as far as valuable information. I haven't been in discussion with Jim about this one like I was with the first DVD, but I might shoot him an email and ask a few questions about some of the moves here in the near future. As an aside, this is something that any 'hawk practitioner should take advantage of - calling up/emailing the existing tomahawk instructors and asking questions. I learned a lot just in emails with Jim and Dwight in the past. How many weapon trainees can just drop a line on a person who has their own book or series of training DVDs and actually expect to hear something back?

I liked this DVD better than the first. I felt like there was more useful material (to me) in this one than the first one (which is really more of a beginners/instructional DVD). If you're going to buy the first DVD, I definitely suggest buying this one to go with it. I promise you won't be disappointed as you will learn at least something from it.

4 :thumbup: out of 5
 
i really appreciate you doing these reviews for us jedi, i know it takes time.

i will be purchasing this one to go with the other after the first of the year.

thanks and great review.:thumbup:
 
i really appreciate you doing these reviews for us jedi, i know it takes time.

i will be purchasing this one to go with the other after the first of the year.

thanks and great review.:thumbup:
You're quite welcome, witchhunter. It takes about double the length of the dvd to do a good review because I pause it every time something pops up that I feel like I should comment on. That, and I rewind a few times so I can catch what was said or how a move was done, etc. But it's good for me to re-watch them because I learn a little something new each time, whether it's a step in an attack that I didn't quite catch the first time, or something as simple as gripping the 'hawk.

Glad to hear you'll be purchasing both of these. I really do believe they're good info on 'hawk instruction. They're very enjoyable and you'll get a lot out of them, I hope. :thumbup:

I'll be trying to get one up on Lynn's 2 DVD set here soon, but that'll be a whole day affair, I think. haha :D
 
i had the first keating on vhs and i thought it was the tape that had audio problems. i'm glad this one has a better production value.

i think the cold steel set is top of the line for what you are getting. i love the section on hawk modifications. this led me to take my old cs frontier hawk and severely blunt the edge to make a trainer. i got a nice hawk with actual realistic weight that is very durable now. this is the only plain poll hawk i own but i am looking for a good quality one for a live hawk. i would like to try the bear mountain minute man for comparison to the frontier hawk.

i know i could buy another frontier hawk and have an exact replica but i find there are better alternatives out there for a user imo.
 
i had the first keating on vhs and i thought it was the tape that had audio problems. i'm glad this one has a better production value.
The audio is very clear and understandable through 95% of the DVD. The only part where it gets a little tough is when Jim and his demo partner move further away from the camera to do a little free form. Other than that, it's good.

witchhunter said:
i think the cold steel set is top of the line for what you are getting. i love the section on hawk modifications. this led me to take my old cs frontier hawk and severely blunt the edge to make a trainer. i got a nice hawk with actual realistic weight that is very durable now. this is the only plain poll hawk i own but i am looking for a good quality one for a live hawk.
I agree. It's the most complete tomahawk DVD set on the market today, and by that I mean it's got a little of everything - types/styles of hawks, warm-up exercises, footwork, basic attacks, etc... I'm going to try and break down here soon and re-watch it again for a thorough (read: LONG) review. But that's for another thread. haha

witchhunter said:
i would like to try the bear mountain minute man for comparison to the frontier hawk.

i know i could buy another frontier hawk and have an exact replica but i find there are better alternatives out there for a user imo.
I've loved the Minute Man (as well as the Rogers' Rangers Spike) since I first saw them. I asked them about sharpening the little hook-type edge of the MM, but they said it was too thin. :( However, I'd definitely be interested in hearing a comparison review of the two (MM and Frontier)... :D ;)
 
Since it's been mentioned in the reviews of the other (first) DVD, I feel like I should comment on this one. This DVD was still shot with only one camera/position, and I believe it was also converted from VHS to DVD. However, I still stand by my statement that the sound and quality is better (probably a factor of being outside).
 
Ok, same as last time, I'm gonna try and do this objectively, review by chapter, and stick to the highlights. I'm actually watching the DVD while writing this, so you're getting my opinions as they cross my mind.

The Review

This is a review of the second DVD in ComTech's Tomahawk line. Not the second in a series, per se, but it does mostly assume you've watched the first one or at least know the basics of tomahawk planar movements.

The first thing that is noticeable is that Jim is outside in what looks like a gravel pit, which is a nice change of scenery from the first DVD (which took place mostly in his dojo). This one has better lighting and removes some of the sound issues that I noticed in the first one.

Section 1: Intro - Jim begins by comparing the modern "tactical" tomahawks to the "traditional" ones, listing how the biggest benefits are seen in durability (synthetic handles vs. wooden ones) and when blocking with the head of the tomahawk (permanent pressed-on heads vs. friction held-on heads). Jim then moves on to a very basic Figure-8 movement which is quickly modified by a "rolling transfer" of the 'hawk from hand to hand during the Fg-8 (not seen in the first DVD). He emphasizes that footwork and movement is very important when fighting with a 'hawk. A quick demonstration on thick cardboard shows the effectiveness of the spike end of a 'hawk. Jim then runs through some circular movements and talks about hooking vs. chopping ("If you miss, you hook"). A little discussion talks about carrying the 'hawk and what locations Jim likes and dislikes.

Section 2: Accuracy and targeting - Jim uses a sheathed tomahawk versus an assistant armed with a shovel (to represent an arm, leg, rifle/bayonet, etc...). He uses the 'hawk to deflect the head of the shovel, discussing use of the empty hand for controlling the enemy's weapon once deflected

Section 3: Coordinated Drills - This section is started by Jim talking about the various working parts of the 'hawk (chopping edge, point, flat of the blade, haft, and butt of the haft). He follows up with a drill similar to one seen in the first DVD where he practices blocking/passing/striking with the butt of the haft. There is discussion about using the blade instead of the butt, but Jim insists this drill is to help build "base level" muscle memory. A quick full speed demonstration where they shuffle their feet in a circle is very good at relaying the effectiveness of this exercise.

There is one part where Jim talks about quickly drawing the 'hawk from its sheath by sort of tossing it out of its sheath and catching it for rapid deployment. I can see it being very quickly done, but I also see it being hard to do in a combat situation. When the adrenaline is flowing, I can see someone doing this move and literally launching the 'hawk out of its sheath and missing the catch entirely, leaving them defenseless against an oncoming attacker.

Jim continues this section by talking about using the haft to control/crush limbs when blocking/trapping. Several of his demonstrated moves are very effective that I like very much. They also do not appear to be very hard to utilize quickly, which is a benefit in combat. This section is ended with a very heart-felt monologue by Jim emphasizing that it takes more than training to win a fight and come home alive. I really got the feeling (and appreciated) that Jim cares very much about those who buy his videos because they might have to actually use the knowledge they gain.

Section 3: "6 Strokes, a Hand-grab, and Pass" - This section is mostly about the above quoted moves in a partner drill that involves grabbing the opponent and jerking them to a new location. Initially I was unimpressed with this drill, but after Jim goes in to explaining the drill, it made a lot more sense to combative use. The idea of moving the enemy (whether by grabbing the hand, arm, hair, vest, etc...) is something that needs to be trained and gotten use to because it's very likely to happen (or be necessary) in combat.

Jim continues to go on with a hooking/trapping section that reminds me, again, a lot of the first DVD. There are some differences, though. He discusses striking instead of hooking/passing, as well as the more vicious applications of the tomahawk and its spike ("ridge hand" type strike to the temple, spike to the mouth, etc...) and why the tomahawk is a feared weapon. I like how he talks about how, other than the knife, the tomahawk is the only other "old" melee weapon that has made it into the 21st century (warfare).

Section 4: Double-Weapon Use - builds on the passing techniques of the last section by using a 'hawk and a knife ("which could be conceptualized into something like a long screwdriver") instead of a free hand. Emphasis is given on moving yourself (the target) out of the way of the enemy weapon while engaging the opponent's weapons. This section is very offensive in the sense that there is less movement of the opponent's weapon hands w/o damaging them first.

Jim demonstrates a move that he calls "The Tornado" that used to produce sensory overload in the opponent by striking the weapon/weapon-hand twice and finishing up with a strike to the body. It seems very odd at first, but it has very sound reasoning; however, I don't see the "double-tap" effect being as valuable as another rapid strike somewhere else in the target area. Jim addresses this (other people's opinions) so that you can formulate your own opinion about it.

Section 5: 'Hawk and Knife in Reverse Grip - This section is similar to the previous section, but is much closer (combat-wise). I like this section a lot because Jim does a lot of trapping/hooking with the knife and 'hawk while controlling the enemy (scissor-type traps/arm-bars, pushing the enemy over, etc...). It's very "in your face" combat and shows what I feel is the real benefit of using the 'hawk and knife in combat.

Section 6: Combat Sets - Jim demonstrates a few take-down moves using the 'hawk and knife. I like the majority of the ones he does, but a few of them seem needlessly excessive in the number of moves between ENGAGING the enemy and EXECUTING the enemy. Of course, this assumes your goal is to kill the enemy. The good thing about these moves is that they can easily be adapted to taking a live opponent. This section ends fairly abruptly which caught me off guard the first time I watched it.

Final Thoughts

This video is about 25 minutes longer than the first one, but the same price, so it is definitely a good buy for the money you spend. This video is definitely targeted at people that may use the tomahawk in actual combat - soldiers, police officers, etc... - which I think is nice. The pace with this video isn't quite as fast as the first one, which could explain the longer run time. Either way, it was helpful to be a little slower and explain things better.

Easily, my favorite section was Section 5, with Section 2 or 3 being my next favorite as far as valuable information. I haven't been in discussion with Jim about this one like I was with the first DVD, but I might shoot him an email and ask a few questions about some of the moves here in the near future. As an aside, this is something that any 'hawk practitioner should take advantage of - calling up/emailing the existing tomahawk instructors and asking questions. I learned a lot just in emails with Jim and Dwight in the past. How many weapon trainees can just drop a line on a person who has their own book or series of training DVDs and actually expect to hear something back?

I liked this DVD better than the first. I felt like there was more useful material (to me) in this one than the first one (which is really more of a beginners/instructional DVD). If you're going to buy the first DVD, I definitely suggest buying this one to go with it. I promise you won't be disappointed as you will learn at least something from it.

4 :thumbup: out of 5


Damn, leave some of the rest of us some thunder Brother Jedi. You stole most of mine.

The first thing I noticed was that ol' Jim had moved up his production costs.
Gone are the days of "70s porn" feel.
Jim has taken it to the level of mid 80s porn production value:D
Seriously though, the A/V quality of this one is 10X better than the last one, and it really helps.

I cant really say much that FSC didnt already cover. But ill go over what I took from the video.

First. I LOVE how Jim expresses time and time again that the Tomahawk is a WEAPON. He makes no bones about how the Hawk is used in an offensive way. No mushy liberal overtones. The Hawk is a deadly weapon, not a garden tool.

2nd, I really like how he expounded on the "recovery" moves, should you miss a strike, or should your opponent do something that you didnt expect, you are not left hanging out in the wind with nothing to fall back on.

Practice. I have a large bedroom that allowed me to do a lot of this along with the video. Jim makes it look so smooth. When I started out with his basic moves, I felt very akward, but after just a few short minutes, and banging yourself on your upper leg, you will pick it up pretty fast.

Ill agree with FSC that section 5 was my favorite. Obviously, trapping and such with an added knife is a more advanced technique, but it interested me the most. Also, once you throw a knife into the mix, shit really starts to get nasty. Thats a good thing.:eek:


Ovarall, the DVD is well recived by a newbie such as myself, but should hold the attention of a veteran.
I do think you could skip straight to this one, and pass up the first one and be ok. Though, the first video covers a lot of essential, basic moves.

Lastly, id like to thank FSCJedi once again for making this avalible to the rest of us at his expense. We should all chip in and get him a lifetime supply of 550 para-cord or something. As I have said before. It really shows the decency, and honesty of the people on this board that someone can trust something that they paid for in the hands of a total stranger.
Thanks again Bro Jedi:thumbup::D
 
Damn, leave some of the rest of us some thunder Brother Jedi. You stole most of mine.
Haha, sorry about that! I just got caught up in the moment. lol

Lastly, id like to thank FSCJedi once again for making this avalible to the rest of us at his expense. We should all chip in and get him a lifetime supply of 550 para-cord or something. As I have said before. It really shows the decency, and honesty of the people on this board that someone can trust something that they paid for in the hands of a total stranger.
Thanks again Bro Jedi:thumbup::D
A lifetime of 550 cord... :eek: I don't know what I'd do with it all! lol. I appreciate the thought, though!

Seriously though, I would have loved to have gotten involved in something like this when I first got into tomahawks. I agree that the success of the first one shows the decency and honesty of people here at bladeforums. Maybe if someone out there sees that there is interest in these videos, more will be made available. I know I'd love to see Steve Huff or Dwight put out a video on this! Hint, hint guys (if you're watching)!

Thanks for the review and compliments, F-bdy! :thumbup:
 
FSCJedi:
I've no plans to do any videos on the tomahawk. I leave that road to you guys. I had surgery on Tuesday to re-repair an old hernia injury.While I'm recovering I'm going back through some of the 18th and 19th Century material that my friends at Colonial Williamsburg and Jamestown provided me for The Fighting Tomahawk. Paladin Press has asked for another hand-book so, who knows. Those first person accounts are really revealing.

Best
Dwight
 
FSCJedi:
I've no plans to do any videos on the tomahawk. I leave that road to you guys. I had surgery on Tuesday to re-repair an old hernia injury.While I'm recovering I'm going back through some of the 18th and 19th Century material that my friends at Colonial Williamsburg and Jamestown provided me for The Fighting Tomahawk. Paladin Press has asked for another hand-book so, who knows. Those first person accounts are really revealing.

Best
Dwight
I can understand you not wanting to do a video yourself, but as a consultant maybe?... :D I hope you recover quickly, Dwight. I'm very happy that Paladin has asked for another handbook! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
FSCJedi:
I've no plans to do any videos on the tomahawk. I leave that road to you guys. I had surgery on Tuesday to re-repair an old hernia injury.While I'm recovering I'm going back through some of the 18th and 19th Century material that my friends at Colonial Williamsburg and Jamestown provided me for The Fighting Tomahawk. Paladin Press has asked for another hand-book so, who knows. Those first person accounts are really revealing.

Best
Dwight

i would love to see another book too! i still put yours at the top of anything tomahawk Dwight:thumbup:
 
Here is my review of James Keating's Tomahawk DVD 2
To begin, let me say that this video is in every way superior to the first DVD.

In the introduction, Keating addressed 2 specific comments I made in review of the first DVD, saying specifically "If you miss, you hook....hooking is not my goal, it's what happens when you miss." And acknowledging that "a hawk is an offensive weapon, not a defensive one."

In the next section, Keating uses a shovel as an attacking weapon so as to practice parrying. He talks about practicing to develop accuracy with your parrys and strikes, referring to it as "horsing around."
I believe that there are different facets of training. One is kata practice, used to show "moves" and develop muscle memory. Another is one item drills, and yet another is sparring. Live sparring is where you find out if what you've learned is valuable or not. A great deal of fun can be had in sparring. Much learning also, Playing "What if?" Jiguro Kano and Ueshiba and Dr. Tomiki used this method to develop the sport of Aikido.
What we don't do in sparring is "horse around." Many foolish injuries occur that way.There are a few comments about the use of the blade vs the spike. This could have been a good springboard to discuss the various shapes of blades for hawks. Which I will explain at the end of this review.

In the next section Keating shows more hooking and trapping! DUDE! I GET IT! Hawks can be used to hook and trap! Keating doesn't talk about what normally happens in a fight. He says, "you hit them in the arm, you chop the arm off-done.' This a basic misunderstanding.He does show in the following section some basic moves to move your opponent from where he is to where you want him to be. Keating then makes some spurious comments about the relative difficulties of CQB and sniping.

Keating's next subject is use of a weapon in each hand. A extremely large knife and tomahawk. It is clear that the audience Keating is talking to are military men headed to the sandbox. I hope that those brave individuals don't use this video to model their CQB skills from.

I will now explain a little history of Axe's and their use as weapons. As many of us in this forum know, the material you're cutting dictates the shape of the cutting tool. Rich people who carried battle axes didn't use them to cut wood. They used wood axes for that.An axe blade is differently shaped for the material that needs to be cut. Weaponed axes are the same.

The extreme ends are the semi-circular blade and the straight blade. The straight blade may be parrallel with the handle, or set at an angle. These blades are designed not to slide on impact. They are for use against an opponent in metal armor, to deliver all the force of the blow to one spot, and to break up chain mail. Curved blades conversely, are designed to slide and to cut leather and cloth armor e.g. Brigantine armour.

Poorer soldiers used axes as utilitarian tool and weapons. Tomahawks are descended from these weapons. Armor was never much worn in North America, so specialized weapon axes were not needed. There was, however, a tremendous need for woodcraft and skinning tools.A tomahawk is a tool that can be pressed into service as a weapon. As a pure weapon for use against an unarmored opponent, a semicircular blade would be best, however this blade shape has very little utilitarian value.So even though people who carry tomahawks as a weapon don't use them much, they still want the utilitarian tool aspect of them to remain.

Regarding the use of an axe as a weapon, the best style is that of the wolf. You get in, hit, and get out. forget trap blocks,and getting tangled up with your opponent and control holds, they are for night sticks and Police officers. If your opponent is in range, so are you.(mostly) Mr. Keating has a natural advantage, being tall and lanky. He never talks about it or uses it, preferring to stay close to his target. It is as our own Vector pointed out previously, a hawk is fast, or it's not a hawk.

Speed is life, distance is armor! When you fight with a hawk, lead with your weapon side. Flesh doesn't defend steel, steel defends flesh. Primary target is the hand holding the weapon. Secondary targets are joints and blood vessels close to the surface. But anything you can reach is a target.

Remember, your goal is not to kill your opponent. Your goal is to escape unscathed. Blood is also life and when you start losing yours, you start getting weaker and slower.If it's just 2 combatants, the first guy to tired loses.The wounded one knows this and becomes more desperate. He must find a respite from attack to stop the bleeding, so he must finish you or run away. Or,if he knows his damage is too severe, he may take a fatal shot to deliver one to you. It would be better to whack someone on top of the foot, and slow them down so you can escape, than to kill him, but lose the use of your right arm. You can fight another day, when you have more ammo and some friends with you.

So, this DVD is vastly superior to the previous one, but, if you follow the tactics espoused in it, they will ,in all likelihood, get you killed. James Keating appears to be a well trained martial artist, but tactics with a weapon are more than just empty hand tactics with a weapon.He says in the video that nowadays you have to consider the legal aftermath of your fight. If you are in a fight for your life, the fight should be the only thing on your mind.
I think Mr. keating would be well served by finding some axe trained fighters an spar with them.

As an aside, there was a series on the History Channel, or possibly the Discovery channel several years ago where a professor and some of his grad students were taught varoius medieval weapons and armor, and a lot of misconceptions were straightened out. There was an episode on axes. I found them to be very informative.
Finally, do not take any of my comments as any sort of an attack against Mr. Keating. I do not know him, and have never trained with him. My training is different, and my experience as an educator is different. Having said that I found the video useful in some ways and counter productive in others.

Bigredruss- send my your address.
 
there was a series on the History Channel, or possibly the Discovery channel several years ago where a professor and some of his grad students were taught varoius medieval weapons and armor, and a lot of misconceptions were straightened out.

Yep! I saw it and it pretty much created as many misconceptions as it straightened out. Royal Armory at Leeds does a much better job.

.....attack against Mr. Keating. I do not know him, and have never trained with him. I highly recommend you take the time to do so.....might give you some insights that the video did not. Jim's rationale is usually sound and he does do quite a bit of sparing. He tends to get a bit advanced sometimes.

My training is different, and my experience as an educator is different. Having said that I found the video useful in some ways and counter productive in others.

Sort of like this review? Yes? This is not a personal attack on Fudo but I'm sorry but I would like more detailed review rather than getting a lectured on someone's personal training system. Right now, I've no idea whether to buy the video or not.

Best Dwight

Sorry Ryan, just had to say something. I'll be quite now.

Best
Dwight
 
Very well, Dwight. This video is sold as a "How to fight with a tomahawk" video. There some interesting moves in the video, but overall, I believe that Mr. Keating is just adapting other systems to the tomahawk. I continue to believe that Mr. Keating, notwithstanding other skills he may or may not possess, fundamentally misunderstands the tomahawk. I would not recommend this video as a training tool. I can't make it any plainer than that.
Dwight, you may disagree with my opinion, that is your right. I'm not attacking Mr. Keating personally, only stating my opinion of the video. That is the stated purpose of this passaround.You are obviously a friend or admirer of Mr. Keating. If you want to view and review the video as we have done, you are free to do so.BTW I will try to find the Royal Arms at Leeds Video.
 
I believe that Mr. Keating is just adapting other systems to the tomahawk. Now that is a good statement that I believe is really representative of what the man does. I completely agree. Here is my thoughts on this: I spent a little over a year going through history books, archives, and 1st person accounts from the 18th/19th century trying to come to some conclusions as to how the tomahawk was used as a weapon. One book latter, and lots of hours I have come to the conclusion that in colonial America there was no formalized methods for using the tomahawk as a weapon. Yes, we had some precepts from Rogers Rangers, the Indian war dances and such but not much (that I've been able to find) Anything that came down was passed orally from generations to generation somewhat as Mark Baker describes in Sons of the Trackless Forrest When one looks for medieval/renaissance fight manual for connections there is nothing axe specific other that a few drawing and some pole axe work. All this said, and considering how difficult the historical trace of the tomahawk was for me, it is not surprizing that most of what you see in today's training and videos very closely mirrors the core martial art of the one presenting the instruction. That's just a fact and it does not bother me when they do that. I guess it's just a lot of experimental archelogy going on. I agree with you that sometimes some techniques do not translate over from stick, knives, and swords to the tomahawk and I think that may be what your seeing with Jim's work.

fundamentally misunderstands the tomahawk. I would not recommend this video as a training tool. My experience with him is that he does, but he likes to 'get outside the box' sometimes. You point is taken and had you used that sentence, I would not have even made a comment......an your opinion is of value.

You are obviously a friend or admirer of Mr. Keating.
I've trained with Jim directly on one occasion at the New York Riddle of Steel. I correspond with him occasionally and have come to some disagreements with him on some comments he as made. If you want to gain some insights into the man, I suggest you check out Kelly Worden's website under his radio shows. You can pull up several interviews with Jim on there where he talks about some of the aspects you mentioned in the review. I think you will be pleased with what you hear.

If you want to view and review the video as we have done, you are free to do so I've been sort of putting that off not wanting to be influenced too much for the one I've got to do. I've got Lynn Thompson's The Fighting Tomahawk dvd and found it to be very instructive and a good place to start. I recommend it even though it is a on high $$ side.

BTW I will try to find the Royal Arms at Leeds Video.
You know, you might just find some of that on U-Tube. I've seen it mentioned on Sword Forum Intenational from time to time.

Just so you'll know, like yourself, I've done a good bit of sparing with the tomahawk. You remarks about full-speed sparing being an 'eye-opener' are dead-on. I've yet to find a completely safe way to design a padded tomahawk that closely replicates the real thing. Even with all the pads,it's still hurts.

Well, anyway thanks for the post. Hope this clears the air a bit. Not to appear condesending, but let me close with a quote from the movie The Alamo: " Travis, It's just the way you say things. That's all."

My Best
Dwight
 
Thank you Dwight for your post. I believe that we are in agreement. It is better to converse face to face for better understanding, but when we go back and forth like this we can make sure we are understood.I think that you are spot-on with what bothers me about James videos.Some of Keating's ideas just don't translate to tomahawks.
Would you consider putting your CS tomahawk DVD's on passaround?
I have contacted Leeds Armory about their videos, and look forward to seeing what they offer. I will also check Kelly Worden's site.
Dwight-PM me and we can talk about training weapons.
 
Fudo: Sounds great! Paladin has not got the contract finished, but I will make sure you guys get it for pass around once everything goes together. Right now, I'm laid up recovering from some hernia surgery ( that's why I'm on here fighting the cabin fever) probably be August before I'm back to normal. Again thanks for your candor and honesty.

My Best
Dwight
 
Probably ? Old wounds that go back to humping tank rounds and falling off tanks and maybe just maybe some related to martial arts, that's all. I'm o.k. God, I hate getting old.

Sorry Fudo, did not answer your mail.......anyway the CS DVD is was a gift from Lynn Thompson. He put a short note in it and I'm just reluctant to loan it out. At any rate I still use it some. I'm sure I can trust everyone here but the mail system....that's another thing.

BTW does anyone know of any book (not dvd) that addresses the sequence of the Indian War Dance (any tribe).?
 
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