Japanese kitchen knife style handles ?

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Lookin for tips on construction and installation of the type of handles like Stefan makes (stefans handles just for example).

I have scene the videos of the original style using the horn and mahogany, press fit, heated tang pressed on type thing. I am more curious how it is done with several types of wood and what not. There does not seem to ever be a pin like there is with normal hidden tang setups.

So are these drilled like normal, filed to proper fit, then just epoxied on?

Also on the different types of materials are they just epoxied together kind of like most fixed tangs or are there hidden pins to help added stability. I am assuming the tang and epoxy give it the strength just wanna check and see how others do it.

I didnt find any tutorials on line and not sure how best to search for this particular question. If someone has a link to a good one that would be great.

Thanks for any input.
 
The yanagi-ba WIP in the WIP-BBQ has info and photos on fitting the handle.


There are five ways to do this:
1) Cut a slot the exact size of the tang in a solid block of handle material. It will be sloppy if not exact, and lining up rivet holes can be a problem. This seems like the simplest way, but is not the best looking handle. It is nearly impossible to get the front perfect and not show the hole.

2) Make a hidden tang handle as above and drill the tang hole as close as reasonable. Pre-shape the handle to about 90%. Make a thin brass or nickel "guard" from 1/8" stock and fit it to the tang as a press fit to the point you want the handle to go to. Put on the "guard, and then glue on the handle. Trim the excess metal and shape the handle as desired. This also looks good with a matching butt plate.

3) Make a two/three piece mortised handle. Take a pair of scales and mortise out one to make it have a recess slightly deeper than the tang. Glue up this side to the tang, let cure well, drill the rivet hole (or holes) through, then sand the mortise until it is flush with the tang ( at least at the front). Glue on the other scale and drill it for the rivets. Install rivets and finish as normal. This is the simplest method, but leaves a slightly off center line on the handle. With a carefully mated handle, the line disappears in the grain. A contrasting wood butt block, or a metal butt plate is often used with this style handle.

4) Make a three piece handle. Take a set of scales and a piece of thin material that is slightly thicker than the tang.The thin material can be matching or contrasting. Cut out the tang shape in the thin material. Glue the thin material to one scale and clean up any squeeze-out. Glue the tang in this assembly. Proceed from here as in the two piece handle above. This method makes a nice centered two-line joint and looks really nice when done with a contrasting color to the scales. It works well with a tapered tang. The same method can be used to make a matching wooden sheath/saya. Micarta/G-10 does well here. Red and black is great.


5) Taking the above method one step farther, and making a five piece handle, can make a stunning Japanese style handle. The following method looks especially nice on a long handle like a yanagi-ba ( sashimi knife).
Cut and fit a 3/4" long bolster block in black wood. Make the slot as perfect a fit as you can ( just like a guard). Since the only part that needs to be a snug fit is the outer end, I rout the slot slightly oversize ,from the back, all but the last 1/8", and then carefully file the last bit until it is a tight fit to the tang. Sand and polish the front of the block.
Next, cut a thin piece (slightly thicker than the tang) of black wood in a "U" to fit the tang. Sand it until it is just about .030" to .050" thicker than the tang. Prepare two light colored wood scales for the sides. Holly works great if you can't get Ho wood. You can also do this all in black and white linen Micarta.
Glue and clamp up the white/black/white handle block around the edges. Use enough glue to get the three pieces properly assembled, but don't get any more inside than necessary. Remember to pre-drill the single rivet hole in one side, so you can drill it through after the glue dries. Insert the tang and remove it while the glue is curing. Wipe it off, and re-insert it until it comes out clean. Let the handle dry ( not on the tang). When assembled and cured the white/black/white handle block should be a perfect fit for the tang. Drill the rivet hole through the other side, and check the fit to the tang. Enlarge or oval the rivet hole in the tang if needed. Sand the end flat to butt against the bolster block, putting a temporary rivet through the rivet hole to line the handle up. When all is fitted, add a butt block of the same wood as the bolster. A few hidden pins ( or visible ones) or dowels will be sufficient for shear strength. A trick is to use 1/8" ebony dowels and drill two holes through the block and into the handle. Glue up the butt block with the dowels and clamp on the handle. When sanded clean there will be two even black circles in the black butt block. When the butt block epoxy is cured, sand it flush with the handle.
Pre-shape the handle to about 90%.
When all is ready, glue the whole thing up on the tang, inserting the desired rivet or pin. A single copper rivet is perfect for this style, or go with a mosaic rivet. Occasionally I use an ebony rivet.
Finish the handle as desired.


When any of these handles are sanded into a slightly forward tapering octagon, it is a really classic Japanese look. I really like the three and five piece handles, with the black stripe running down the center.


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I use holly wood, and have it stabilized. You can buy a whole board of good white holly online for a very low price. Cut it into blocks about 25% bigger than the size needed ( make some bigger than you think you need) and have them stabilized. While being stabilized, have about 1/3 of the blocks dyed black as well.
I cut a few of the black blocks into 1" pieces for the bolster/butt blocks, and the rest of the black into 1/4-3/8" slices for the center strip.This gives me very stable, matching grain, black and white wood. Store all this together in a closed box to keep the white wood clean.
 
These are fairly easy to do on a lathe, just drill a block of wood/horn/micarta with a hole the width plus a little bit of your tang, set that aside. Next take a block of wood or whatever that will be your handle body, chuck it in the lathe and turn a shoulder on it and make a round stub the length of your other drilled block and the diamter that's a press fit into the drilled hole of your other block. Then you glue them together, rechuck the whole thing in the lathe once the glue is dry and turn the whole thing round, then remove from the lathe and finish shaping by hand into an oval or whatever. Drill and fit the tang as you would any other hidden tang and use a good epoxy to seal it and the tang from moisture. The lathe makes the seam between each material quite perfect and no PITA hand fitting.
 
Find a wood lathe on craigslist for like under 100$ and you can be a japanese handle MACHINE.
 
Lookin for tips on construction and installation of the type of handles like Stefan makes (stefans handles just for example).

I have scene the videos of the original style using the horn and mahogany, press fit, heated tang pressed on type thing. I am more curious how it is done with several types of wood and what not. There does not seem to ever be a pin like there is with normal hidden tang setups.

So are these drilled like normal, filed to proper fit, then just epoxied on?

Also on the different types of materials are they just epoxied together kind of like most fixed tangs or are there hidden pins to help added stability. I am assuming the tang and epoxy give it the strength just wanna check and see how others do it.

I didnt find any tutorials on line and not sure how best to search for this particular question. If someone has a link to a good one that would be great.

Thanks for any input.

It all depends on you choice of material but aside from that, there are 3 basics ways of jointing the ferrule to the handle. The first and most common is a butt joint held together by and adhesive (I use either poly glue from Gorilla or Acriglas epoxy). The most durable is a tenon and mortise joint where the handle is shaped to a nipple (tenon) and the ferrule is drilled though to make a mortise and are held together by an adhesive as well. The third is a compromise between the two; you join the two pieces with a butt joint, then you drill 7/8 of the way though the whole handle using a drill bit close in size to the tang width and you epoxy a hardwood dowel in place.

For the tang hole:
You will need to drill the pilot hole while everything is squared up and not yet shaped. The pilot hole should be as close to the thickness of your tang as possible. Once the pilot hole is drilled you can drill a hole in the same diameter on either side of the pilot and you can burn your tang in if you're using the dowel method or you can employ a broach to cut the hole to the right size and either pin, or epoxy the tang in place. If you follow the traditional method and bur the tang in, you can fill any gaps using bees wax to avoid epoxy. If not using epoxy, remember that the oils in some hardwood will promote the formation of rust and may damage your knife over time.

Anyway, if you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I'm still working on finishing a tutorial on Wa handles on my site.

Regards,
Mike
 
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Thanks a bunch guys, Mike responded to ya.

Sam if I do more then a few of these Ill look into getting one of those small bench top lathes. I see them now and again on craigslist. Appreciate the suggestions.
 
I used method #2 this weekend, experimenting with my first bolster. I learned the practicla value of only needing to close-fit the front of the bolster. Unfortunately my unstabilized maple had an ugly crack.
 
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