Japanese Kitchen Knife Time Periods

DanF

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In looking through japanese kitchen knives recently, I see some kitchen knives listed for example as, "Edo chef, Edo paring, etc".
I see that the Edo period was roughly 1600-1860. The knife handles listed are a good bit different from the octagonal shaped japanese knife handles I see a lot of on the forums.
My question is, is this just marketing, or a historical fact?
 
It is sort of the same as Murimoto being used with a sword to try and convey a sense of "They made them better back then".

Added - Edo means Tokyo ... or eastern Japan.
 
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Different regions of Japan favor different profiles, even on the same kind of knife. Usuba, for example, have a sheepshoof tip in western Japan, and square tips for eastern Japan. The eastern profiles are sometimes called "Edo style," with Edo being the old name of Tokyo.

Another example would be the "Edo saki" eel knife, which is completely different from a Kyoto eel knife (which is different from a Nagoya one, which is different from an Osaka eel knife...
 
Thanks at all, could someone recommend a decent book listing the basic Japanese kitchen cutlery styles? Not looking for a definitive work on this, just a brief explanation and maybe some pics or illustrations.
Thanks again,
 
"Japanese Kitchen Knives" by Nozaki is one I really enjoy studying. You might think it would be chock full of hundreds of J-knife styles, but no, only three. Yanagiba, Usuba, Deba.
That alone I find a bit fascinating. It is a very good book.

"Japanese Knives and Sharpening Techniques" has all the blade styles you might be looking for beyond the big three. Another very good book for understanding J-knives.
 
It is full of knife techniques and recipes. The cutting techniques, especially the ones with cucumbers, are nice to know.

About the three knife info - While there are hundreds of specialty Japanese knives, the vast majority of tasks are done with a yanagi-ba ( slicer) an usuba ( utility blade), and a deba ( break down knife). I might have added a santoku (three virtue - slice/dice/chop) blade. Basically, all other kitchen knives are versions of these blades. I make a set of three knives for customers of a yanagi-ba with 8" blade, a 5" or 6" usuba, and a thicker and heavier deba that looks like a heavy short chefs blade. A santoku is often added as a fourth knife.

I'll tell you the story about my most used kitchen knife.
It was a 10" vanadium steel wide blade slicer/chefs that my wife had, very thin … barely .060" at the spine .... and really sharp. Years ago, she tried to pry open a drawer that got stuck and broke 3" off the tip end. It sat in the block for years. It had belonged to her mother and she couldn't stand to throw it out. I took it out to the shop one day to re-grind it into a usable blade. I was thinking of making a santoku. I realized all it needed was to angle or curve the broken end down from the spine and it was a perfect usuba. Since the break was at a slight angle, I opted for angling the end in the Edo style. The job was done in minutes and since then I use it for 90% of all my cooking tasks. I have a block of other knives that are razor sharp, but this 1.5X5.5" blade laser is light and easy to use.
 
Good save, Stacy, I hate to see something like a good knife wasted, and I bet it made your wife very happy.
 
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Book arrived yesterday AFTER I had finished the knife (of course).
The first thing that struck me was how thick the knives look. The second was the variations in the same style of knife (this had been mentioned earlier in this thread).
I think I'll try a two layer with a single bevel next.
Thanks to all for the book suggestion, I'll enjoy this one for years.
 
Thanks Stacy. That's very interesting about a typical j knife 3 knife set
I would have thought a gyuto would have been there but that combo would serve any purpose
I'll get that book on the 3 knives
Most of my favourite knives have been saved blades from broken bigger knives
I have a small bunka with a big chunky bolster that I would never have put together but it's a style I will make more of.great in a pinch grip
I'll just take out the step of it being briefly a gyuto when I redo it
 
It is interesting that the three primary J-knives are all single bevel Urasuke knives. Not a beginner knife at all.
I think the Gyuto, Santoku, Nakiri, Suji, etc... stem from the big three, but are all double bevel and easier for the less initiated to use and maintain.
 
learn the double bevels and dabble in the singles cause they have a tricky set of details. singles are thicker at the spine and have hollow backs along with being made for right or left hand use. i have had to explain edge angles to many when the single bevel "wave" struck the kitchen knife forums. they talked about bias of single bevels making them sharper and that is nonsense total edge angle is what makes the cut. how a single bevel "wins" the sharpness contest is the way its sharpened. much like a straight razor
 
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