Jeff or Shon, a 1095 question for you

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PayetteRucker

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I know Kabar markets their 1095 as CroVan, with trace cromium and vanadium added, supposed to help increase edge retention. What do you know of this steel compared to your 1095? Is it proprietary to Kabar, and is it more expensive as a raw material? Do you know of any downsides this altered 1095 has compared to yours?
 
Being that your asking a delicate question of one person 1095 steel method vs. another 1095 , I doubt you'll get a answer for certain reasons
 
delicate question? I don't see how it's delicate, it's simple information... are they really that different, and if so what are the pluses and minuses of each?
 
Simple info true ...... Try your hand at Google
within one second I found the answer in general ,nothing to hide if google search spits it out with the quickness :D
 
you should ask that in the Shon Rowen Q&A next thursday :thumbup: you might get an answer.
 
PayetteRucker said:
I know Kabar markets their 1095 as CroVan, with trace cromium and vanadium added, supposed to help increase edge retention. What do you know of this steel compared to your 1095? Is it proprietary to Kabar, and is it more expensive as a raw material? Do you know of any downsides this altered 1095 has compared to yours?
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To be totally honest with you, we have never used 1095Cro-Van. So I couldn't say just how much difference there is in performance from one to another. What I do know is KA-BAR is a great company and they make great knives. Its my personal opinion, that its the heat treatment process that makes or breaks ANY steel, regardless of the alloy.

Shon
 
Over the years, I've tried a lot of different steels in varying knives and varying heat treats. Some of them I really liked, such as VG10 (stainless), but again, it's the heat treat on any steel that makes the difference, as Shon pointed out. KaBar does a superb job on their production stuff in my opinion. Carried (and still carry) a lot of their knives on ocassion and I have yet to have one fail me. We plan to stick with 1095. Not that it's the *best* steel there is but that's what our heat treat is fashioned to for now, and Rowen does it better than anyone in the industry when it comes to this steel. In the end, except for rust, I'm not sure you will find a better field steel anywhere than plain old 1095. Exotics, for the most part, just tend to run the price up.
 
Hi all,

1095Cro-Van is the same as Sharon Steel 170-06 speciality steel. (Sharon Steel is defunct since 1992) Any one can get the chemistry if you pony up for buying whole heats at the mill. (22,000 lbs +) Because of our volume, we can and do. Cro-Van makes for a nice product. Having said that; the knives that Shon/Jeff and Mike are producing are excellent product. Shon is correct in saying that controlling the processes is the key.
We think that ESEE knives will perform every bit as well as the BK&T and KA-BAR product regardless of which steel is used.
Hope this helps.

Best Regards,


Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
 
And guys, Toooj (Paul) is one of the BEST guys in this industry, bar none. It's guys like Paul, Ethan, John and the rest at KaBar that make me proud (in fact honored) to be part of this whole industry. And it is also proof positive that two companies can "compete" and support each other at the same time. I would bet my life (and have) on anything that KaBar put their name on!
 
It is really cool to see this kind of attitude between companies. In most industries this would have turned into a s#*t talking thread, but these guy's are really cool.

good stuff. :thumbup:
 
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AAAAWWWW,

Group hug! I have known Jeff since 1993 and the reason that we are all friends is that we believe there are more important things in life than dissing, bickering and s(r$^^ing people. If ya got time for that you aren't doing enough. We don't always agree on everything but that's okay! That's what makes the world go 'round. Jeff, Mike, Shon and the ESEE mods are to be commended for doing a great job.
See you Blade Show!


Toooj
 
I agree^

I haven't been here too long, I have noticed that a lot of the members here have great attitudes. I sense a great camaraderie amongst you guys:thumbup:.
 
R.A.T. said:
And guys, Toooj (Paul) is one of the BEST guys in this industry, bar none. It's guys like Paul, Ethan, John and the rest at KaBar that make me proud (in fact honored) to be part of this whole industry. And it is also proof positive that two companies can "compete" and support each other at the same time. I would bet my life (and have) on anything that KaBar put their name on!
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That is a cool attitude towards a competing company, much respect.:thumbup:
 
r.a.t. said:
and guys, toooj (paul) is one of the best guys in this industry, bar none. It's guys like paul, ethan, john and the rest at kabar that make me proud (in fact honored) to be part of this whole industry. And it is also proof positive that two companies can "compete" and support each other at the same time. I would bet my life (and have) on anything that kabar put their name on!
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+1...
 
I've had 7-8 Kabar products over the years and I don't think I've had a single complaint about any of them. I was just interested in the science behind it. Thanks for all the info guys.
 
two kabar folders and my first descent knife was a small kabar marine combat knife. I also own a full size now. i love the kabar products. just recently ordered and RC-6 my first ESEE and within one week ordered an izula. i still carry my kabar a bunch, its a great knife, so is my RC-6. two down to earth companies. Great jobs :thumbup: :D
 
Toooj said:
Hi all,

1095Cro-Van is the same as Sharon Steel 170-06 speciality steel. (Sharon Steel is defunct since 1992) Any one can get the chemistry if you pony up for buying whole heats at the mill. (22,000 lbs +) Because of our volume, we can and do. Cro-Van makes for a nice product. Having said that; the knives that Shon/Jeff and Mike are producing are excellent product. Shon is correct in saying that controlling the processes is the key.
We think that ESEE knives will perform every bit as well as the BK&T and KA-BAR product regardless of which steel is used.
Hope this helps.

Best Regards,


Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng

Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
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Wow, if that new Ka-Bar steel is the same one Cold Steel and Becker (both made by Camillus) used, it's tough steel. I still have some old choppers made with that Sharon steel, and they are still going strong. As with any steel, it was the heat treat that made them so tough. I am confident that Ka-Bar, like Rowen, has the heat treat down. Good information and good news that 0170-6 or 50100 is back. . :thumbup:
 
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