John Fitch and his 14" 1084 bowie in action

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Would you mess with this boy? I dont think I would piss him off. That bowie has a 14" blade of forged 1084, and will shave your arm. Both John and I hacked away on small branches and saplings and never actually dulled the thing. Certainly there was no damage to the edge like chips or dings. I was impressed! John can go through a small tree in a couple of hacks, while it took me a few more.
 
Must be nice to go out hacking with a 14" Mastersmith bowie and it's creator. Color me green with envy :rolleyes:

It is amazing what a properly made 1084 blade can do when compared to all of the high tech steels out there. Think these guy's know a thing or two about steel? :D
 
John was nice enough to forge out a 9" blade of 1084 for me to finish. He rough forged it out and normalized it 3 times. It is up to me to grind it to shape and finish it. I did a little grinding on it last night, and that forging scale is tough to grind off. After an hour of grinding, it almost looks like a knife though.
 
blademan 13 :

It is amazing what a properly made 1084 blade can do when compared to all of the high tech steels out there.

Cutting ability is geometry defined to a *far* greater extent than the rather small effect of the actual alloy, which is why people win cutting contests all the time with low alloy steels and they are excellent for wood working blades.

People have been using low alloy steels in axes for a very long time and you don't stop to sharpen your axe after every few trees, in fact you don't stop every hour. Alloy steels, do give advantages, but they are mainly for abrasion resistance and corrosion resistance.

Alloy steels can as well offer advantages in toughness, strength and impaction resistance, which can lead to a better cutting blade. But even simple steels can handle the hardest of brush work with the right techique. Thus the alloy steels can't offer a more optimal geometry as it is already optimal with the simple steel.

For example I have an Opinel (~1075), and the edge is about ~7-8 degrees. I can't really go any finer when sharpening, thus I could not get any better cutting ability out of a higher alloy steel (with some minor exceptions, mainly edge aggression). I could get better edge retention of course, and do with other blades I have with similar edge profiles.

That is a fine looking bowie, about 14" is right now what I find optimal for most of my brush work. I would not want that tip structure though and prefer handles with more curvature and a slight drop.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, the handle on this particular bowie is just a test handle. The finished product will be much larger and nicer. I wish I were the person getting this one. John wouldnt sell me this bowie, as it was promised to someone else.
 
In this modern, high-tech world we live in, it does me good to see such works of functional art come from men using age-old methods.

Who knows where the art and science of the forged blade will go in years to come? I believe the quality of the average custom knife is improving.
 
It is just too bad John doesn't have enough mass or a straight flat blade to cut anything bigger than those twigs...

Sound like a fun time Danbo;)

-Sam.
 
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