John White's Gentleman Bowie-Paper to Steel

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Here's my good friend Paul Kessler's new John White Gentleman's Bowie.

As if it's not already beautiful enough it's headed to Steve Dunn for engraving. I just love the skill and precision crafting of a well executed frame constructed handle. That along with it's take-down design and antique bark elephant ivory handle really makes this a special piece.

John describes his creation below:

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Thanks for looking.
 
Don't you just love it when a plan comes together? Beautiful piece. Love the blade shape and the gorgeous bark ivory. Ya done good Paul! Great work as always, John.

Roger
 
Great looking piece, nice detail too. I just wish that he would have used a better piece of ivory on the "A" side. That big gouge hurts to look at.
 
I like the knife, but for some reason the ivory doesn't look like it belongs on this knife to me. I really like bark elephant ivory, but on this knife I think something else would have looked better.
 
Great looking piece, nice detail too. I just wish that he would have used a better piece of ivory on the "A" side. That big gouge hurts to look at.

I'm willing to bet that "big gouge" was put there by the elephant himself. Part of the charm of bark ivory, IMHO.

Roger
 
Gotta admit, even though it's a little outside what I'm normally smitten by, that one works for me!! :thumbup:
And I think the blade shape is what really sets me to liking it... I even kinda like the ivory blemish, too - ya know the old boy probably earned that mark! :D
 
John White, MS joined in June and just changed his anonymous screenname to: John White. Maybe, just maybe, he will comment here.

A fine knife, as usual from John. :thumbup:

Coop
 
Hello guys-thanks all around, and especially to Kevin for posting and Paul for being so much fun to work with.
Yes, the "big gouge" is a trophy of the elephant's life experience.

John
 
really elegant piece. I think flaws in ivory as long as they are not structural can add character at times.
 
Hi John

as you know I love your knives and Paul and I are very good friends and have discussed this knife on many occasions.

I sent him an email earlier about the final result and have a couple of questions.

When I look at the drawing, it appears that the knife handle is longer than what it appears in the final knife photo. Is this correct? To me I like the longer handle shape in the drawing.

Also, from the drawing, the width of the handle appears narrower than it does in the final knife photo. Is the also the case? again I prefer the drawing.

I'm like Chuck and I find that unfortunately, the dark mark on the bark draws the eye to it as ones eye goes to points of contrast and with so much of the handle being a wonderful light color (different from so many knives) the eye goes to this mark rather than being drawn to the total knife.

I have also expressed to Paul my question of whether this knife needed any engraving as with there being lots of wonderful filework on this knife, perhaps the engraving will not stand out nor will it add to the look of the knife. It will be fun to see the finished piece and hopefully someday I'll see the knife in person.

I love the design and think Paul will be thrilled and he and I will be sure to have so good conversations about it an others he owns of yours.

Don't know what others think but this is just a few of my observations and of course photos and drawings may not reflect the knife itself.
 
Hi John


When I look at the drawing, it appears that the knife handle is longer than what it appears in the final knife photo. Is this correct? To me I like the longer handle shape in the draw

I'm like Chuck and I find that unfortunately, the dark mark on the bark draws the eye to it as ones eye goes to points of contrast and with so much of the handle being a wonderful light color (different from so many knives) the eye goes to this mark rather than being drawn to the total knife.

I have also expressed to Paul my question of whether this knife needed any engraving as with there being lots of wonderful filework on this knife, perhaps the engraving will not stand out nor will it add to the look of the knife.

I love the design and think Paul will be thrilled and he and I will be sure to have so good conversations about it an others he owns of yours.

Don't know what others think but this is just a few of my observations and of course photos and drawings may not reflect the knife itself.

The original order for this knife was based on a hunter that John had previously made that had caught my eye. The handle on that hunter was framed and was thin and gave the knife an elegant look.
Therefore the first order of business was to find a piece of ivory that that was long and would lend itself to the "thinner" handle design that I had requested.

John found this set of ivory and sent me a photo. I liked what I saw but also questioned John about working the "extra character" in the ivory into the over all knife design. John was convinced that it would work and I agreed.

I had the option of asking John to reverse the slabs so that the "A" side of the knife would have a clean appearance. I'm in agreement with "joeshredd" here; that " the old boy earned that mark." Over all I think what was originally damage to the tusk adds character to the knife.

I especially like knives with blades in the 5" to 7 1/2" range with a long clip When it came time to finalize the order I asked John to change the order from a hunter to a gentleman's bowie. John worked up a drawing of a knife with a single guard. The only change I requested was a double guard.

Murray, the drawing shows a knife with an over all length of 9 7/8" and a handle of 4 7/8." The actual knife is 9 7/8" over all with a handle of 4 3/4."

When I received the photo's of the finished knife from John I was thrilled.
In speaking with John I asked him for his thoughts on having the knife engraved. He agreed with me that it would look nice and a phone call went out to Steve Dunn for his thoughts on the matter.

Murray, if when I ordered the knife I thought engraving was going to be a possibility I would of then most likely asked John not to file work the ferrules.

John and I both have a lot of confidence in Steve's abilities and working in the file work with the engraving was a concern that was addressed with Steve.
John made this project fun. After the engraving the only things left to do are a Paul Long sheath and a " professional photograph."

Paul
 
Great knife! When you get one from John, why don't you ever get it and have to wait? That would kill me!;):D:thumbup:
 
Don't know what others think but this is just a few of my observations and of course photos and drawings may not reflect the knife itself.

Paul answered the length question. I think the angle of the final image makes the handle look wider than it is straight on? But, great looking bowie. It is fun to see part of the process. Great looking ivory with the flaw adding character. Anxious to see the final images with the sheath.

- Joe
 
Murray,
Good to hear from you, and thanks for the kind words.
As Joe suspects, the photo angle does make the handle look a tad wider than in person, (I'm no Coop) The knife is "delicate but deadly" in the hand, (of course IMHO)
The choice of a "flawed" ivory piece will of course not appeal to everyone, but when I saw the ivory on the table at Atlanta, I was immediately drawn to the "story" of the marks of an elephant's life-history, and Paul was interested enough to go along.
That's all part of what makes this so much fun to me.
Thanks all.

John
 
Great to see your here John - I hope you will show us more examples of your work.

Roger
 
John thanks for the WIP thread your work is very clean it was a real treat to see it in that way.
 
John and Paul and others -- this is a good thread. If one reads some other threads re concerns of dispassionately being able to discuss a knife/maker/collector/collection etc, this one comes together as we can see that not all photos show knives as they are and we alll know they can't show how they feel. It also shows how each collector/maker has different tastes and feeling toward knives we collect and we can discuss them in a rational and enjoyable way.
I love my phone conversations with Paul and other conversations with makers and my visits with Roger and this is what makes collecting so much fun.
I just hope I get to see the knife in person some day and I certainly look forward to seeing more knives by John.
 
John and Paul and others -- this is a good thread. If one reads some other threads re concerns of dispassionately being able to discuss a knife/maker/collector/collection etc, this one comes together as we can see that not all photos show knives as they are and we alll know they can't show how they feel. It also shows how each collector/maker has different tastes and feeling toward knives we collect and we can discuss them in a rational and enjoyable way.
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I just hope I get to see the knife in person some day and I certainly look forward to seeing more knives by John.

Very nicely expressed Murray.

This thread has been a lot of fun for me.

Aside from John 's immeasurable skills you couldn't choose a nicer maker to
work with.

I have 3 more "major" projects to share on the Forum this year.

Paul
 
Fantastic!

I love the photos, because I don't think too many people understand/appreciate what goes into a knife like that. It'd be even better with some shop photos! :D
 
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