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Ernest Emerson

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Dear Members,

Just got wind of this. I do not have the time to contact every one of the companies and custom knifemakers that are being ripped off by this trash. But if you all pitched in and forward this link with a note to a couple of each of the guys or companies being ripped off, all of them would become aware of it and the xxxknife.com would be hit with a tsunami of C&D letters or legal action. This is not right and it is the worst and most blatant I have yet seen.

Go to the link http://xxxknife.com/knives.asp?cateID=2. You won’t believe what you’ll see.

Please pitch in to help fight this crap.

My Best Regards,

Ernest Emerson
 
Wow.... I will link this to some that I know, thanks for bringing this to our attention Ernie.
 
Well the counterfitters are getting better at their trade, even do a fair job of copying the box. I looked at the Spyderco Paramilitary & the Emerson Commander both look like deals. But one must ask why are the deal out of this world?

Because not even having an idea what BEST Wolesale price is, there deal are not even close to the. They are five alarm fire sales price that are IMHO more then too good to be true.

Plus who is the seller? Where is the seller located? How do you contact the seller? Web-site is out of my comfort zone, and should pop up many RED FLAGS.
 
^in china. Outside of American laws and many international laws.

Thanks for the heads up. Secondary market and primary market outside of proper dealers is going to get harder to navigate.
 
It could be worse if he were charging close to the real prices. Buyers would be less likely to question until too late...

--Larry
 
Sadly, I don't think we can really take any legal action to them since they are in China.
 
Next Saturday is a big gun show at the Phoenix Arizona State Fairgrounds, I am sure the same 2-3 dealers who specialized in selling counterfits Benchmade & Microtech knives will be there per the normal. The sad part is the promoter does't care these people who by tables at the gun show sell counterfits. All the promoter care about is selling tables.

Unsuspecting buyers will think they are getting a smoking deal on a Benchmade Infedel, or Micro-Tech Ultra Tech. When they have a problem, they will try and get a warranty repair, and find out they have been swindled.

The old saying about if a deal just seem too good, be sure of what you are buying before shelling out hard earned cash, and find out you have bought a counterfit.
 
Ernie,
Years ago, ihad a Chinese dealer tell me,Jim give me a knife you want made & in a wk. I'll have 5,000 for you! I've had people look at my custom made blade ask what I paid! They say...I'm crazy... they go buy a PAKISTANI KNOCKOFF & tell me how" I" got taken ...then wonder why their knife dulls or breaks.Talking about ripoffs,guy at a lot of GS has lot of fixed blades on his table,claims he is a knifemaker & makes all of these knifes .Ernie he buys from the Pakistani Import.....the line of bull is unreal! As someone posted the China Co. are getting better at copying...I handled a Chris Reeves that "I" had a hard time realizing it was fake....dealer saved me some time & admitted it was fake!! I asked WHY are you selling this...he said he wasn't ,
he was showing people to beware!!
Jim
Jim
 
Sayoc01 said:
Ernie,
Years ago, ihad a Chinese dealer tell me,Jim give me a knife you want made & in a wk. I'll have 5,000 for you! I've had people look at my custom made blade ask what I paid! They say...I'm crazy... they go buy a PAKISTANI KNOCKOFF & tell me how" I" got taken ...then wonder why their knife dulls or breaks.Talking about ripoffs,guy at a lot of GS has lot of fixed blades on his table,claims he is a knifemaker & makes all of these knifes .Ernie he buys from the Pakistani Import.....the line of bull is unreal! As someone posted the China Co. are getting better at copying...I handled a Chris Reeves that "I" had a hard time realizing it was fake....dealer saved me some time & admitted it was fake!! I asked WHY are you selling this...he said he wasn't ,
he was showing people to beware!!
Jim
Jim
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The sad part in dealing with Chinese factories to manufacture a product for your company is after they finish your order, they run a few thousand extra, and put em on e-bay, or sell them to someone who will sell your counterfitted products in the USA.

If say you are a company like a Spyderco who has knifes that can be counterfitted including the packaging, all the counterfitters needs is a couple of each model to work off of & copy, and then your product is compromised.

What is really funny is one of the regulars at the gun shows sells knives with the Spyderco logo etched in the blade or handle that is nothing like what Spyderco ever sold. But the uneducated buyer buys this junk think they are getting the real deal.


Customs serv ice is looking for drug, bomb making material, bombs, ammo, weapons, and counterfit Emerson's, Benchmades, Micro Tech's, and other knives I am sure are a low priority to stop from coming into the USA.

I use to go to this Mexican border town to buy prescription drug I took on a regular basis for penning on the dollar. This border town had more pharmacies per square mile then most city have in the entire city. Also they had shops selling knockoff of most designer purses, belts, wallets, Oakley sunglasses, and MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL merchandise.

Never once standing in line to return to the USA did I see the customs guys confinscate any of the counterfit items. I use to take my paper prescriptions with me for the drugs I brought back, just in case I was ask for a prescription. Most of the time the Customs Officer asked what I bought, I said prescription drugs, and maybe one time out of 4 trip the agent would even look in my bag.
 
AKA,
I know of TWO famous knife companies that have had this done.....one factory sends the knives back to the main co.& they stamp made in *****
on the blades. Buyers think they are made in that country & "pay" the higher price ,never knowing where they are made.Think about this...a Co. take your pick...sets up a factory in China....you think that co.makes the rules...WRONG...that factory is still under China's....China rep.came by our tables at BLADE!

Offered us a deal...to take over labor costs etc.Told him...no thanks.He then asked ..Don't you want to make $$$$ we can help you....WHAT are your production & labor costs!! Told him none of your business....now leave!!Next day they sent an American by...to explain....their "generous"offer!! No need to print what he was told!!
Jim
 
Akapennypincher said:
The sad part in dealing with Chinese factories to manufacture a product for your company is after they finish your order, they run a few thousand extra, and put em on e-bay, or sell them to someone who will sell your counterfitted products in the USA.

If say you are a company like a Spyderco who has knifes that can be counterfitted including the packaging, all the counterfitters needs is a couple of each model to work off of & copy, and then your product is compromised.

What is really funny is one of the regulars at the gun shows sells knives with the Spyderco logo etched in the blade or handle that is nothing like what Spyderco ever sold. But the uneducated buyer buys this junk think they are getting the real deal.


Customs serv ice is looking for drug, bomb making material, bombs, ammo, weapons, and counterfit Emerson's, Benchmades, Micro Tech's, and other knives I am sure are a low priority to stop from coming into the USA.

I use to go to this Mexican border town to buy prescription drug I took on a regular basis for penning on the dollar. This border town had more pharmacies per square mile then most city have in the entire city. Also they had shops selling knockoff of most designer purses, belts, wallets, Oakley sunglasses, and MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL merchandise.

Never once standing in line to return to the USA did I see the customs guys confinscate any of the counterfit items. I use to take my paper prescriptions with me for the drugs I brought back, just in case I was ask for a prescription. Most of the time the Customs Officer asked what I bought, I said prescription drugs, and maybe one time out of 4 trip the agent would even look in my bag.
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dumb question, but how did you know you were getting the real prescrip drugs? couldn't they have been counterfeit, watered down or even fake? trying to figure out how one would navigate all the bad that could happen on buying. thanks and sorry for derail.
 
To answer your question the pharmacies in Los Algonodes, BC, Mexico (West of Yuma, AZ) only sell full bottles of prescription drug. You can buy prescription medication to control condition like blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, and other pharmaceuticals that are not on the US controlled list.

Control drugs like Codeine, Valium, Oxy-Codine, Demerol, Morphine (Class III Prescription Drugs) can not be purchased even if you have a scripts from an American doc.

This little towns shopping district is maybe 1/2 mile square, have maybe 30 or 40 pharmacies competing for American's & Canadians business. It is not your typical Mexican border town with strip joints, & other vices. It’s has pharmacies, dentists, hearing aid dispensers, eye doctors are the draw, and most of the visitors are retirement age old gray haired folks.

Several friends have had dental work done there, (crowns & partials) all they do is sing praises for quality & prices 1/3 of that in the states. My neighbor buy disposable contact lens for her daughter.

Winter visitor from Canada shop south of the border for prescription drugs because the prices there are cheaper than back home in Canada. Canadians are interesting to talk with because they will tell you what is good & bad about their national health plan. Most of what I hear is good, to great reviews.

The interesting thing is many brand name prescription drugs that you can pay a very large price for in the USA, because their patent has not runs it life, and it is constantly advertised in magazine & on TV. Are available generic a few feet south of the border for prices that are pennies on the dollar.

I have never bothered to look at the knives for sale, but like I said there is a lot of counterfeit items, that when you cross back into the USA the Customs Officer don't even both looking at.

My other half use to take a medication for diabetes that is only available in the USA under the brand name. Cost at local pharmacy was like $120.00 for us out of pocket a months supply. Same drug was available in Mexico generic, and a years supply was $88.00. That was the reason to go to Mexico.

I use to pick up a nasal spray (Naso-Cort) for my son in law that his US co-pay was $90.00 for one month worth on nasal spray. I could pick him up 6 month worth of the same nasal spray containers for $90.00-120.00.

Of course you are not deal with a $100,000/year pharmacist being paid by a Wal-Greens or CVS to fill your prescription. Both companies Wal-Greens or CVS are brick & mortar who both have huge overhead. But they seem to be the major player in control the prescription drug market in the USA. He is Arizona there seem to be a Wal-Greens ever couple of block around town.

You are dealing with a clerk in Mexico who speaks English, know the names & strength of the drug they sell in factory sealed bottles. You have to be able to read labels, know dosages are the same. Know what you take & the proper does. The pharmacies in Mexico are in competition with one another, and will do some wheeling & dealing to make a sale. Purple & Turk's are the two pharmacies I always buy from in Los Algodones, BC, Mexico.

You ask how I know I am not getting knock off drugs, I will say I read label, and the prescriptions have worked so far. The business south of the border want repeat customers, they want you referring your friends, and in many cases are more customer service orientated then Wal-Greens or CVS Staff.
 
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The xxxknife site is disgraceful.

U.S. gun show promoters who host blatant counterfeiters can certainly be advised and, if pushed hard enough, should ultimately rid themselves of any dealer violating U.S. law regarding patent, copyright or counterfeiting laws within the U.S.

The way to do it, if the promoter takes a 'could care less attitude' about it, is to contact the management of the public FACILITY where the shows take place as well as advising the local newpapers about the situation.
 
Aka...are you saying the pharmaceutical companies are screwing Americans ? They wouldn't lie to us.
 
EChoil said:
The xxxknife site is disgraceful.
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You are dealing directly with China, and Chinese counterfitters they spelling it out in black & white. Poking around the links, if you have something you would like counterfitted in quantity, they will be more than happy to help you out.

http://xxxknife.com/aboutus.asp



U.S. gun show promoters who host blatant counterfeiters can certainly be advised and, if pushed hard enough, should ultimately rid themselves of any dealer violating U.S. law regarding patent, copyright or counterfeiting laws within the U.S.

The way to do it, if the promoter takes a 'could care less attitude' about it, is to contact the management of the public FACILITY where the shows take place as well as advising the local newpapers about the situation.
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The funny thing about the Gun Shows is in Arizona's it use to be the law of the land that selling counterfit item was a Class Six (LOWERS) Felony. I was at AZ Bikke (motorcycle) Week over in Scottsdale several years ago. A vendor was selling counterfit OAKLY Sun Glasses. Apparently an Oakley employee/agent who works with the police looking for counterfits was part of arresting this vendor, and confinscating his counterfits. The bad new is most of the judges let these people off with a small fine, and not getting their fakes back. So they are free to set up shop next week with more counterfits, and hoping the Oakley Agent dose not show up with the local cops.

The old Grayhound Track on Washington Boulevard in Phoenix is the site ever weekend of a large flea market. If you go to the flea market you will see all kind of counterfit NBA, MLB, NFL, Pro Sports & College memrobellia, hats jackets, t-shirt that are all counterfit for sale. The local Cops do nothing unless accompanied by agent for sport & college merchandise companies. As the agent make the call, and the cops do the arrest & confiscation on the agent expert opinions.

I do not think there will ever be a way to stop making counterfits, there is just too much money to be made from the sales of counterfits.

Like the people who shop at the Grayhound Track Flea Market, I will assume most know the reason they got a deal, is they are buying a fake Team Jacket, Jersery, Hat or. All they care about is it has the Logo & Colors of their team on it, be it Cowboy's, Ram's Raider's or. The buyers could careless that Jerry Jones or some other owner or the NFL did not get part of the profit, or licensing fee. They are wearing the colors & logo of their favorite football team, and that is all that is important to them.
 
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EChoil said:
Aka...are you saying the pharmaceutical companies are screwing Americans ? They wouldn't lie to us.
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In (G.O.D.) good old days ever little town had several drug stores run by local people living in town, you could shop around, or support you favorite family owned drug store.

Today most prescription are fill at Wal-Mart, Wal-Greens, CVS, and a handful of grocery stores that have pharmacies in the market. Seem from where I site in the consumers seat that these people are in a position to fix prices.

Then you also have the companies that manufacturer drug having their so called brand named drugs that cost so much, and you are constantly seeing print & TV ads on their patient drugs. A little history lesson is there use to be a over the counter drug called Claritin. It was pimped 24 hours a day by Joan London, until the patient was up and the advertising stop, Joan was no longer on TV telling us how wonderful Claritin was. Clairitin became a cheap generic.

Also as I said many of the drug that can only be purchased in the USA as the "BRAND" name, are available in Mexico generic.

Another tip for you people who are saddled ever month with high cost prescription drugs, now many Americans are turning to Canadian Pharmacies that sell on line, use Fed X for Delivery. All you need do is send your prescription north to Canada. Pay with your credit card.


Google Canadian Mail Order Pharmacies, and you will find many who want you business, and beat out the high priced Wal-Greens, or CVS's.
 
Akapennypincher said:
.......The funny thing about the Gun Shows is in Arizona's.....I do not think there will ever be a way to stop making counterfits, there is just too much money to be made from the sales of counterfits.
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Of course you won't STOP counterfeiting.

I was only pointing out that it can be handled to a degree by stopping such sales within public facilities. I, like many, don't appreciate seeing the fake knives sold with impunity among the authentic at any respectable show, especially where I've paid an admission fee. Such show promoters should be challenged.
 
EChoil said:
Of course you won't STOP counterfeiting.

I was only pointing out that it can be handled to a degree by stopping such sales within public facilities. I, like many, don't appreciate seeing the fake knives sold with impunity among the authentic at any respectable show, especially where I've paid an admission fee. Such show promoters should be challenged.
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Honestly the gun show promotor has been loosing vendors the last couple of years. I recall when there were no table for rent. So staying afloat is more important than policing what he is not an expert in. Ther buyer is the responsible party for what he or she buys. Like I said big companies like Oakley & NFL when we had Super Bowl had their agent out working with the police, trying to stop the counterfits.

One vendor who sells Micro-Tech Ultra Tech's stuff is very easy to spot as fake. All the serial number are the same. I recently read a story with photo, apprently some Chinese company is make replicable Rolls Royces.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6rY3yNf-W3c
 
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