July 4th: A Short Butaniku Folly

Halveye

Halveye

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On the day of our independence... Out came the Short Butaniku.... After months of indoor practice.... To train on...a pool noodle (couldn't find any tameshigiri mats).

As I'm not one too proud to deny my multiple flaws....I give you a short video...a "how to", of sorts, on how to.... Well...

https://vimeo.com/173416506

Yeah, that happened.... At about 9 seconds in, it went from excitement to sheer terror. Thank the Lord my wife, father and brother weren't hurt..... My pride, well.....

The damage...

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Amazingly, the majority of the cerakote coating on the blade was untouched (a little at the finger guard and at a corner of the butt). Unfortunately the edge was ravaged, with the tip compromised a bit. The scales have road rash, but not quite as noticeable....


Three important things were learned today...

1. Cerakoted scales are extremely slick with any amount of moisture (humid day).... Amazingly, I had been practicing indoors for months with no issues at all... Kind of wished it had G10 like my Rucki (no issues outdoors) or no coating at all.

2. Hind sight being 20/20, I should have practiced in grass.... Would have had no damage at all.

3. Well... I'm just happy no-one was hurt... Would have been an unwelcome addition to the July 4th injury statistics.


Points of optimism (kind of):

1. Now I have a reason to have the edge convexed (just need to find someone that does this on swords... Not sure).

2. Now I have a reason to take a sander to the scales.... Maybe there is Tiger's Hide underneath (fingers crossed)... Still debating.

3. I can't do anything worse at this point to my prized blade.....ughhhhh


Stay safe all


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Not sure how much you want to spend to get convex.....but you could contact Ban Tang to do it. He just did my AK47.
 
Dude! How did that come out of your hands? Did you let go or did the momentum overwhelm you?! :confused:

Lucky no one was hurt!
 
ExtraBaconPlease said:
Dude! How did that come out of your hands? Did you let go or did the momentum overwhelm you?! :confused:

Lucky no one was hurt!
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I think it was a combination of a slick surface and momentum...I was in shock for a second... I've never had that happen before.


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I'm with you brother, glad the only "damage" was to the edge!

Also good lesson to see that standing directly behind the operator won't always be safe place to be out of the line of fire. Thanks for sharing!

Another contributing factor, IMHO, would be the noodle gave you basically ZERO resistance...kinda like a fullback bearing down on 1st and Goal to go and the line parts >>>> no one touches him and he goes head over heals :eek:
 
That clatter.....

It will haunt my dreams.

At least it was INFI. Most of that will steel out.
 
Glad nobody was hurt. Props to you for sharing, I think most people would be deleting as fast as they could. No doubt the blade will be fine, and you always have the iron clad Busse warranty.
 
Glad no one was hurt. I'm actually a little surprised at what appear to be a couple chunks of steel taken out of the edge. This is INFI, right?

First scratch is always the worst. Now you can beat on it like a rented mule.
 
First of all, count your lucky Stars and Stripes that you didn't end up taking out some of your flesh, or worse --- the flesh of another!! Yikes!! Glad you're okay brother --- that would have been a real joy kill.

Second, the edge damage is pretty consistent with what is expected to happen when a fresh factory edge that has been sand belt sharpened comes into contact with a surface that's harder.

Now I'm no physicist -- but here are a few tidbits of info that some would be interested to know:

1. Most edges that have been freshly finished with a belt sander fresh from the factory tend to be less tough than the good stuff right underneath it. It's pretty common.

2. When INFI/SR-101 comes into contact with a material that is much harder than the knife steel --- the knife steel will receive micro-chipping, chipping, rolling, etc.

3. The finer the edge, the more acute the edge angle, and/or the more the edge has been over-stropped ---- the more likely it will chip/deform when it comes into contact with something much harder

4. The rotational/angular momentum the sword had as a result of the windup and swing + the acceleration it picked up while falling (due to gravity) is DEFINITELY going to have an impact on the edge -- ESPECIALLY if the apex of the edge had a direct perpendicular contact with the ground

5. This minor damage is nothing -- it's time to resharpen it/re profile it and see EVEN better performance.

6. Many of us have seen the old Knife Destruction "tests" that Noss conducted --- so we don't expect to see much edge damage with things that appear trivial and unthreatening to the knife -- like dropping it. However, in this case the factors involved make it totally understandable. Also, Noss tested the FFBM --- which after acquiring mine --- I can guarantee you all had an edge angle much more obtuse than 20 degrees per side (40 degrees inclusive) ---- which means it's wayyyyy more likely to handle the abuse it received without more edge/blade profile damage.
 
Wow. I've never seen INFI deform like that from just falling. On anything.

I straight up chopped concrete for at least 10 minutes on accident once with my basic 9 (fence post was countersunk and I didn't know it) and it didn't do anything. A couple very small rolls. No chips.

That blade looks like it's made out of cheese.
 
CHEMMINS said:
Not sure how much you want to spend to get convex.....but you could contact Ban Tang to do it. He just did my AK47.
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If you can talk him into it, you will be VERY happy with the result. That man knows how to sharpen.
 
Rob_Mob said:
First of all, count your lucky Stars and Stripes that you didn't end up taking out some of your flesh, or worse --- the flesh of another!! Yikes!! Glad you're okay brother --- that would have been a real joy kill.

Second, the edge damage is pretty consistent with what is expected to happen when a fresh factory edge that has been sand belt sharpened comes into contact with a surface that's harder.

Now I'm no physicist -- but here are a few tidbits of info that some would be interested to know:

1. Most edges that have been freshly finished with a belt sander fresh from the factory tend to be less tough than the good stuff right underneath it. It's pretty common.

2. When INFI/SR-101 comes into contact with a material that is much harder than the knife steel --- the knife steel will receive micro-chipping, chipping, rolling, etc.

3. The finer the edge, the more acute the edge angle, and/or the more the edge has been over-stropped ---- the more likely it will chip/deform when it comes into contact with something much harder

4. The rotational/angular momentum the sword had as a result of the windup and swing + the acceleration it picked up while falling (due to gravity) is DEFINITELY going to have an impact on the edge -- ESPECIALLY if the apex of the edge had a direct perpendicular contact with the ground

5. This minor damage is nothing -- it's time to resharpen it/re profile it and see EVEN better performance.

6. Many of us have seen the old Knife Destruction "tests" that Noss conducted --- so we don't expect to see much edge damage with things that appear trivial and unthreatening to the knife -- like dropping it. However, in this case the factors involved make it totally understandable. Also, Noss tested the FFBM --- which after acquiring mine --- I can guarantee you all had an edge angle much more obtuse than 20 degrees per side (40 degrees inclusive) ---- which means it's wayyyyy more likely to handle the abuse it received without more edge/blade profile damage.
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Agreed... I've read before that the factory edge generally isn't the toughest... All the reason more to re-profile..... I would've loved to have used it a bit more first, but mistakes happen... Live and learn

Any suggestions on those able to re-profile the edge to convex... There was a suggestion above which I'll look into, but figured I should look into a couple different options (I figured that the Custom Shop was probably out of the question at this point, for at least a year).

Thanks
 
Glad no one was hurt....Nothing a little re-sharpening can't fix. Sounds like a good idea about the sandblasted scales for removal of the cerakote. All the more reason to use the crap out of.
But hey...how bad was the concrete damaged?
 
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My satin AK has slick G10. I've been thinking about either blasting it or throwing some Agrip material on it.

I took a full power swing with my long Butaniku into the dirt that would have destroyed a machete edge and it barely left a mark. I'll see if I have a picture. It was a 6.5' snake aggressively defending my front porch. I read online somewhere that it was mating season.
 
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