Junglas IN 5160 STEEL

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csabacanada

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I was wondering if was possible to get a junglass in 5160 steel.i love my rat 6 and 4 ,and i really like 1095 steel and i think that is hard to beat esse knives for quality and value .i really -really like the looks of the junglass but i don't like longer knives than 7'' knives in 1095 .i had problems with them in the cold canadian winters.the strength of the 1095 is edge holding not toughness and i have seen the junglass test video ,but the hardness is at 56 rc ,that is pretty low .yes ,it is tougher but at 56 it loses a lot of edge holding but with 5160 it could have up till 58-59rc and still would be very tough.anyway ,if is not possible i will still get one but i will have the heat treat redone to higher rc and differentially heat treated.thank you .all the best
 
Someone always wants a different something no matter what, thats why people get customs made. It would be really hard for a knife company to just start throwing out knives in all steels and configurations. Also you really cannot expect the same edge retention from a huge knife as a small knife toughness considered.
 
csabacanada said:
I was wondering if was possible to get a junglass in 5160 steel.i love my rat 6 and 4 ,and i really like 1095 steel and i think that is hard to beat esse knives for quality and value .i really -really like the looks of the junglass but i don't like longer knives than 7'' knives in 1095 .i had problems with them in the cold canadian winters.the strength of the 1095 is edge holding not toughness and i have seen the junglass test video ,but the hardness is at 56 rc ,that is pretty low .yes ,it is tougher but at 56 it loses a lot of edge holding but with 5160 it could have up till 58-59rc and still would be very tough.anyway ,if is not possible i will still get one but i will have the heat treat redone to higher rc and differentially heat treated.thank you .all the best
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The Junglas has the same heat treat as the rest of the line. Does the rest have enough edge retention for you?
 
ESEE-4: 57RC
ESEE-3: 57rc
ESEE-5: 57rc
ESEE-6: 57rc
Izula: 57rc

These are taken directly from the website. They don't specify on the website for Junglas, Lite-Machete, or AH-1. I'm sure Jeff or Shon can help with this.
 
Tripton said:
I'm pretty sure that is what Shon said during the chat session...because I asked if the Junglas heat treat was any different than the rest.
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Fair enough. Actually the knives are listed a few places at 57. i guess I could have investigated further instead of going on my shoddy memory. :foot:
 
Most machetes are upper 40s to mid 50s RC. They seem to work fine. The Junglas at 56 has better edge holding than most other machetes. I have no problem at all with Rowen's 1095. But if you want 5160, you can just get a Ranger RD9. It's a pretty darned good chopper, IMO. With so many good knives available nowadays, we can get them in many different steels, but not all from the same manufacturer. I have had very good performance with 1095 steel from Bark River, Ontario, Rowen, and others.
 
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Horn Dog said:
Most machetes are upper 40s to mid 50s RC. They seem to work fine. The Junglas at 56 has better edge holding than most other machetes. I have no problem at all with Rowen's 1095. But if you want 5160, you can just get a Ranger RD9. It's a pretty darned good chopper, IMO. With so many good knives available nowadays, we can get them in many different steels, but not all from the same manufacturer. I have had very good performance with 1095 steel from Bark River, Ontario, Rowen, and others.
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To be fair the Junglas isn't your typical throw away machete and it wasn't designed to be that (not at 3/16" thick and $175) A Junglas at typical machete hardness would under-perform ridiculously. I do agree with you though that Rowen's 1095 at 56 or 57 RC will give this knife the same kind of performance we've come to expect from ESEE. In a word...awesome. :cool:
 
If you manage to break it, ESEE will replace it no questions asked. I'm not sure what problems you are having with sub-sero temperatures and 1095.:confused: I've lived through a lot of winters and have yet to experience problems with any of my edged tools.
 
gottahaveit27 said:
To be fair the Junglas isn't your typical throw away machete and it wasn't designed to be that (not at 3/16" thick and $175) A Junglas at typical machete hardness would under-perform ridiculously. I do agree with you though that Rowen's 1095 at 56 or 57 RC will give this knife the same kind of performance we've come to expect from ESEE. In a word...awesome. :cool:
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My point was only that softer tempered steels are used all the time for hard work and they perform fine. The only parameter in which the Junglas will out perform a full length machete is edge holding. No way a 10.5" blade will work as well as an 18" blade in clearing or chopping live wood, no matter what the steel, even INFI. For a "machete", the Junglas is tempered pretty hard, and we have seen from the destruction testing that it is amazingly tough for a blade so hard.
 
Yea. I've used my RTAK II to baton frozen solid maple and oak in ten degree F weather. And thats with the questionable heat treat. Also used my RC6 in that weather. I plan on using the Junglas in much the same manner. I don't forsee any problems with this plan.
 
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My point was only that softer tempered steels are used all the time for hard work and they perform fine. The only parameter in which the Junglas will out perform a full length machete is edge holding. No way a 10.5" blade will work as well as an 18" blade in clearing or chopping live wood, no matter what the steel, even INFI. For a "machete", the Junglas is tempered pretty hard, and we have seen from the destruction testing that it is amazingly tough for a blade so hard.
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My point is that you would never use steels that soft in a 10" x 3/16" blade. You need to use softer steel in machetes because they are so long and thin. There is a sacrifice in edge holding because their needs to be. The Junglas doesn't need to make this sacrifice, so it can be treated to a higher RC and stay sharper longer (as you've stated). I agree with you that a machete will out-perform a 10" blade in many respects, and I have learned that a machete is one of the most useful and versatile blades there is. For a 10" 3/16" blade the Junglas "machete" is not tempered hard at all. It is in my opinion tempered correctly (as it was designed length and thickness wise to perform as a large knife).
 
It is in my opinion tempered correctly (as it was designed length and thickness wise to perform as a large knife).
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That's my opinion as well. I don't look at the Junglas as a machete, even though the drop down navigation on the website calls it "Junglas Machete?"

I see it as a large knife for shelter buidling, wood processing and other suitable tasks. Similar to something on the order of a Busse Bushwacker Mistress. 1095 at 57RC is right for it IMHO.

Now the "ESEE Lite Machete" is what I expect to see in a machete - in terms of OAL, 1075 steel - I couldn't find the Rockwell numbers though. :thumbup:
 
Whatever the numbers are, the things chop, slice, and bust up trees. I'm sold.
 
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