Junk sheaths?

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There are some excellent knifemakers out there who make great knives, but their sheaths are seriously lacking. How many times do you get a great knife, then turn around and spend even more money on a better sheath? This isn't a knock against the maker, they are knife makers after all, not sheath makers. But would it be unfair to request your knife, without their sheath at a reduced price? This problem has happened to me with numerous knives, and gets frustrating!
 
Hey TK...

Thats why there are guys like me....

More and more knifemakers and knife companies I may add,,, are finding the benefits of having an account with a custom sheathmaker.

In most cases this is all we do.. Specializing is custom sheathing is our thing...

You'll slowly start finding that some knifemakers are taking advantage of the fact that we do good work..

I have many knifemakers I sheath for,,and they like the fact they don't have to be bothered with the sheaths.

They also know a custom sheath is a Plus to the customer as well..

Don't get me started on El Cheap-O sheaths..
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ttyle

Eric...

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On/Scene Tactical
Leading The Way In Quality Synthetic Sheathing
 
Very true. I have a custom on order from Rick Frigault, and I know you do his sheathwork. (I requested one of your Nite-Ize pouches too.) That's what more makers should do, it would also give them more time to make knives.
 
What ever happened to sole authorship. I have only subcontracted one sheath in my entire career. And that one is being made now. For a Model 10, I just really wanted to see what all the fuss is about. I do see alot of very poor sheaths out there. Things like unfinished edges, bad stitching , ect.
If Blade Tech does an outstanding job I might have Normark do one up and see whos is better. Then again I might just buy the TekLoks and make them myself. Here is an average example of good sheathwork.

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I worry that guys are goning to start saying, "hey I have someone else whos better at it make my sheaths, why not have someone whos better at it make my handles, or blades for that matter". The only way you get better is to keep at it.


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R.W.Clark

Proud Member : California Knifemakers Association
 
The focus of most knifemakers is on the knife itself with the sheath being an afterthought. Unfortunately, the knife and sheath is a system, and if one part of the system doesn't funtion well, then the whole system fails. A good sheath will enhance the utility and aesthetics of a good knife, but an inferior sheath will have you leaving a great knife unused. Granted, there are some knifemakers who also make a great sheath, but for most this isn't the case, and as Eric said, there is a growing trend for them to have a sheath done by someone who can add value to their creations. :)

Mike Sastre
River City Sheaths
 
Very true. The knife and sheath are a system. That's why it's frustrating to get a truly great blade, with a bad sheath. At least there are great custom sheathmakers out there!
 
I agree with you, Mike. Every time I look at a fixed blade be it custom or production, I always ask to see the sheath as well. Mainly I check for the fit of the knife in the sheath, how well it slides out, how it secures the knife, how well constructed the sheath is, etc. I too have seen excellent custom fixed blades with "blah" sheaths. Kind of ruins it for me too.
 
I agree with Clark on this one.....for me anyway it is the only natural thing to make my own sheath. I understand why makers use sheathmakers but I think it is a shame that they don´t just get good at sheathmaking too.....i for one hate handrubbing but I really like the result so this is the way I finish my knives...I would not have someone who loves handrubbing do that.

Here is a kydex
nakeddamainsheath.jpg


And here is halftanned leather covered in frogskin
citysetinsheath.jpg


Ofcourse I get to see the wife when making the leather since I make this in the livingroom
 
My one and only trip to the Blade Show and I picked up a very well made knife, with nice stag handles, just loved the look and feel of it. I asked the price and then asked to see the sheath, he reached beneath the table into a box on the floor for the sheath that matched the knife, I could then see why he kept the sheaths in a box. I was aghast at what I saw! As polite as I could I asked what would be the price less the sheath, and that's what I ended up doing, buying less the sheath. You could certainly see the difference in attention from one to the other.
Now I don't make the fixed blade sheaths, only focus on the folders and most folder makers include a clip so my work is not a necessity but those that don't like clips I enjoy working and making sheaths for them.

I know the arguments for sole authorship but there are some that just don't have the passion or time to get into sheath making and Sandy Morrissey, Kenny Rowe and Chris Kravitts are filling that need very well, and those that want kydex our own Normark does an exceptional job.

So, as it might seem that some knife makers are lacking in one area, sheaths, I would never hold that against them, they are just focusing on what they do best and to provide as good a product as they can and still make a living at it.

Also had another thought regarding this subject, if you compare knife making to an artist, painting that is, no one expects the artist to also make the frame that surrounds the work of art they completed..... :cool:

G2
 
Sole authorship---sounds good but is it factual? By this I assume that the knifemaker mined the ore that was made into steel,raised the stag that provided the antlers for handles,manufactured his grinders, made his own grinding belts, manufactured his own buffing compounds, and possibly tanned cowhide from cattle he raised in order to make stacked handles. In order to put his logo (indicating "sole authorship") on his blade he made his own stamp or etching equipment. The acid he used to etch his damascus blade was made in his kitchen, no doubt! It seems more realistic to me to assume that hundreds of people were instrumental in that knife becoming a reality.

There are many great knifemakers in this country that hurt themselves in the market place by not producing a sheath that is of the same quality as the knife they produce. Letting sole authorship stand in the way of a sale does not enrich the maker but does chill a sale. Some makers such as R.W. are excellent (Underline excellent) sheathmakers that greatly enhance the saleability of their knives. He is not the norm in the field however. Most knifemakers do not make good sheaths, nor do they care to take the time in order to do so. In order to make an attractive package, they let the pros take over and avoid the hassle. To spend several hours designing a pattern that will give a proper fit, purchasing leather, dyes, finishes, thread, needles and awls, the hand tools necessary to do the finishing touches does not make the individual sheath a cheapie even if poorly done.

Enjoy "sole authorship". It sounds like an expensive alternative to purchasing a good sheath that has the cost absorbed by the customer. This, admittedly, is of little concern to the knifemaker that enjoys leatherwork enough to do a real professional piece of work!

I have been involved in leather craft for a period of over half a century and have made thousands of sheaths, belts, holsters etc. This is not a hobby of mine, it is the love of my life! I am not posting this as an attempt to sell sheaths. To be perfectly honest, Ihave one helluva lot more than I care to do,
and limit myself now, as I am getting to the age where I wish to spend more time relaxing and less time under the gun from knifemakers that wanted their sheath yesterday for a knife that was ordered six months ago,

Greg Gutcher, Jr. owner of Sullivan`s Holster Shop and maker of sheaths for the Randall Knife company, and myself are moderators for sheathmaking on knifeforums.com. If you have questions or need any kind of assistance in your sheathmaking efforts, contact us and we will try to help all we can!
 
Wouldn`t it be nice if we could make a list of sheathmakers that are actively making sheaths for custom knife makers?

Submit your name and probably a thumb nail sketch of yourself and what you make. Include how you can be contacted so that you might inform those that contact you as to pricing and turn around time. If you have pictures of your work, submit those also. A picture is better than a thousand words.

The knifemaker needs us---we need the knifemaker!
 
I haven't had a bad sheath experience, but honestly I wouldn't really give it a second thought. I might take Gary's approach, can I get a few bucks off if I don't take your sheath? But different people are going to want different applications in the form of a sheath anyway, so many are going to seek aftermarket sheathes for their own purposes.

If I'm buying a knife, the sheath is secondary. The quality of craftsmanship in the knife is the first priority.
 
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