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chickentrax

chickentrax

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In my quest for the ultimate budget Buck 110, I scored a couple more this last weekend...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/FrogBait4/2_110s.jpg

The 2-pin scale 110 has the square edged bolsters, but the "hump" spine...the scales are rounded end-to-end a bit...this blade has the [newer] short clip point...it has been re-bladed...with a 2004 late-model blade [a nice sharp one!]...the [eBay] seller said the rocker was replaced, too...supposedly by "the manufacturer"...

I kind of doubt that...With all due respect, I don't think this work was done by Buck...The blade is wobbly both sideways and up & down...and the spine of the knife and the bolsters have been buffed heavily, but not evenly (the rocker sticks up more than the liners/scales, even though it has been buffed almost round)...

But for the little I paid, it was worth a 2-pin handle + a new blade... :D

The 3-pin also has the squared bolsters, and the "hump" spine, but a dot 110 dot blade...looks original; I can still see the grind lines (dull as hell, though)...this one has flat scales end-to-end...this blade also has the longer clip point...

This was also a cheap buy... ;)

Both have many nicks & dents, and really aren't worth mentioning...especially with all the nice collectible 110's in this Forum...

...But I just like 110's!!!... :D
 
I don't understand eactly what you mean when you say this blade also has the longer clip point

Unless soneone has reprofiled it, I thought all 110's have a clip point blade. And are supposed to be 3.75 inches long. Guess I don't know what the newer short clippoint is in a 110. Unless you have a 112 and not a 110.

Doesn't sound like it has gone through the Buck repair shop if it has that much blade play..

Just noticed your pics. Yup, both 110's. If one blade is shorter than the other, someone has been working on it.
 
LFH,
The blades are the same length, but I think I know what Chickentrax is referring to. The older blades have a noticibly thinner profile. That, along with a smaller nail nick give the impression that the clip point is longer, when it is in fact the same identical length.
Mike
 
here's a picture that I think shows the different blade "styles" pretty well. The top is my oldest 110, and the bottom is my newest.

110s2.jpg


The newer models have a more pronounced grind making the blade look a little different. That and the shape of the nail knick.

Please pardon my poor quality picture.
 
LFH said:
I don't understand eactly what you mean when you say this blade also has the longer clip point...
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The distance from the point of the blade back to where the spine of the blade changes from "almost straight" to a downward curve. The older blade curves are 1/8" longer. The blade is the same overall length, just the "dip" curves farther back.

If you hold a ruler against your monitor and measure the top curve, you can see how much longer the "clip point" is. Or you can measure your own. :D

The easiest way to measure this is to lay a scale against the top of the blade, from where it hits the rocker/spring forward to the tip of the top "dip" grind...[that "v" shape]...The older ones measure ~2 1/4" vs the newer ~2 1/8"...Measuring further forward, the part I am calling the "clip point", I get ~1 7/8" for old, 1 3/4" for new...
 
howdy track's,
yep i agree with you and have noticed the same my self.
theis is the first thread i noticed that thoes diffrences have been brought up! worth discusion i think.. and i prefur the old er style blade my self! how bout you other 110 guys out there? like old or new?
 
Oh me,, now I will be spending the rest of the evening measuring the blades on this herd of 110's.

Psycho. I have a couple or 3 like in your top one. One has the inverted Buck USA. With the brass bolster spacer.

Always fun to discover these minute differences.

Thanks for the clarification guys!

I likes em all Dave... :)
 
334dave said:
theis is the first thread i noticed that thoes diffrences have been brought up! worth discusion i think...
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I like controversy... :D Discussion is good! :)

But I'm 99% certain this has been discussed before...because that's why I look for them...and if I can spot the "old" blade/grind on a pic at eBay, I'm sure the real experts can "make" an oldie just by the pins/hump/whatever... ;)

I still have to guess...(I was hoping this 2-pin was a straight-back, but it is not)... :(
 
Mike Kerins said:
give the impression that the clip point is longer, when it is in fact the same identical length...
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Hi Mike!

Here's a pair of scans to illustrate...The first one is both blades back-to-back and point-to-point...

clip_pt2.jpg


The second one has the clip-break matched...you can see the offset...

clip_pt.jpg


The longer clip point is the older one...The blades are the same length, the clip-point itself is longer...~1/8" by my measurement...
 
YOU GO CHICKENTRAX YOU GO!!!

Thanks, I have really enjoyed seeing and reading this information...what is the range in years of the differences in the clips of the 110s...I mean where does one style begin and the other take over. As a side note, did you put the 110 that you took apart back together? How did it go?

Dave334, I like the longer clip on the 110, but I like the 112 with the shorter clip on the shorter blade...FWIW.
 
pjsjr said:
As a side note, did you put the 110 that you took apart back together? How did it go?
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It's still a work in progress...but progressing... :D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/FrogBait4/Drop 110/blade_file1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/FrogBait4/Drop 110/pol_110.jpg

what is the range in years of the differences in the clips of the 110s...
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I don't know...The long one here is a dot 110 dot = 1974 to 1980...the short one is a 2004...the oldest short clip I have is a 1995... :confused:
 
Yes it is progressing...you go!! Thing that threw me, which is not hard to do, was the fact that the new, 2004, blade is in an old frame, the two handle pins. I got my two dot 110 and compared it to newer ones and couldn't see that much difference...yours is very noticeable. I need to stop spending money on knives and buy a digi camera so I can share and discuss these important, life altering aspects of Buck knives. Thanks for your time. Preston
 
pjsjr said:
I got my two dot 110 and compared it to newer ones and couldn't see that much difference...yours is very noticeable.
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It's not just this one...My older 2-pin straightback [the "2 liner"]also has the long clip point...but the dot 110 dot dot blade that came out of my "work in progress" knife has the short clip point...that would be 1980...

Maybe Buck changed some manufacturing process between the two dots and the three dots??? Change from stamped blade to [laser][wire EDM] cut blade maybe??? :confused:
 
This is very interesting. The nuances between the different versions of the 110 are abundant. I've been measuring a 2nd version 110 circa 1968 with the latest models. I don't own a 70's vintage 110. On the 2nd version that I have the clip point is actually slightly longer than the latest models. This is due to the difference in the degree of tapering of the top edge of the clip point. The newer 110's have a more abrupt taper, while the 2nd version from 1968 has a more extended taper. This extended tapering and more gradual dip along the clip point adds approximately 1/8 inch to the length. I was ver surprised to see that the next version that Chickentrax has shown from the 70's (I think) actually has a shorter clip than the newer models. Now I'm going to have to get this version to compare all three. :D
 
Mike Kerins said:
...Now I'm going to have to get this version to compare all three. :D
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... :D :D :D ...

This is due to the difference in the degree of tapering of the top edge of the clip point.
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Yes! ;)

The terminology is a real handicap here; we all are trying to express what we can see, in a way everyone can understand, but there doesn't seem to be a universal set of terms for it...or even names for this...I was hoping Joe or Larry would pick up on this and set me straight on what it is called...this taper, or grind, or whatever it is... :p
 
pjsjr said:
YOU GO CHICKENTRAX YOU GO!!!

Thanks, I have really enjoyed seeing and reading this information...what is the range in years of the differences in the clips of the 110s...I mean where does one style begin and the other take over. As a side note, did you put the 110 that you took apart back together? How did it go?

Dave334, I like the longer clip on the 110, but I like the 112 with the shorter clip on the shorter blade...FWIW.
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yea i do "likes them all" also but have some i like better...
here are most of mine i have about 10+ not in this shot...
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note worthy are the drop point 110 and 560's with matching blades (i am keeping one of them), stags wtih damascuss ,25 year buck anversity (have a 25 year folding hunter anv. comeing).. some old two liners and 3 liners and some dot year's 110's , as a 112 guy you would like the damacuss 'custom' stamped blade one with wood and one with ivory scales, (the white ivory one goes to my brother for xmass) and too many centenal 110's...i am hopeing to add a stag 124 to match the one i have an maby a few other stag and ivory ones... i am verrrrry found of the nickel silver bolsters and would love to see one with a brass liner like you see lots of small folders have. one i am looking to have done is to find damasass steel not hardened and have etched sclaes made to go on a nickel 110 or 112!!! what do you all think of that thought?
 
I am pretty sure I can help confuse this issue some more. :rolleyes:
Those early 110's had a lot more hand work done to them and that can cause variances in the length of the chamfer. (By the way, we call the clip a chamfer at Buck. )
The two knives in the picture, however, were done on a fixture. That means that they are a diferent length on purpose. With any luck, I will be able to locate the old blueprint and see when the change was made. If I am really lucky, someone here will remember why the chamfer length was changed.
I am betting that it was done in an attempt to add a little more steel to the point. The number one reason that we get 110's back is becuase the tip is broken. Its a catch 22 for us. The tip is thin by design and for a specific use. Caping. We could beef it up but then it wont work for that as well. Also, the basic design of the 110 has not changed much in the last 40 years and it is hard to mess with success.
I hope this helps.
 
Dave334, nice knives, I do like those 112s...your brother is a very lucky person!!! But, just in case he's unhappy with that wonderful gift or a bad boy, and you still want to play Santa...MY address is...well just post here and I'll be in touch. Preston
 
334dave -

Those 3 110's in the first column with the white-ish stag scales...Are those Elk??? Or Sambar Stag??? :confused:
 
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