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I just returned from a four day hike in the Nordhouse Dunes Wilderness Area of Michigan. It was great! The place was absolutely deserted. Miles of beach and not a soul in sight. No cars in any parking lots, no campers. Nada, zip, zero. On the first day it was sunny and warm but the wind was fearsome, blowing in all directions as it swirled through the mounds of sand. I camped close to the beach and pitched my Campmor 8'x10' 1.3 oz silicone tarp using Kelty Triptease Lightline to string it up. This light tarp shed the wind beautifully. Every night it rained. The rope never sagged and I was always bone-dry beneath the tarp, even in the heaviest winds. The extra ties in the middle of the tarp helped me string it up for roominess. I highly recommend the rope. It takes up very little room and is very light and strong. It's also reflective and will help you find your tent or tarp in the dark.

I used my homemade alcohol stove, made from two tin cans. It was unfailing and cooked up a storm. I described its manufacture here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000589.html

Normally I don't take big knives during backpacking but since this was a short trip, I made an exception and took my new Busse Natural Outlaw. What can I say other than this blade is totally awesome. I beat it to death and by the end of the trip, it was still plenty sharp. With the Outlaw I hewed an aspen hearthboard and drill and for a socket I cut the heartwood out of a small birch limb. For lubrication, I used clarified butter. The bow was also of birch and the cordage was a double strand of parachute cord. Dry tinder was plentiful and fire came quickly.

Some wild foods were easily found. Fiddleheads were popping up all over the place. I picked a pile of them, rubbed them between the hands to remover any hairs, then steamed them and served them with clarified butter. Yummy. My favorite springtime fair--morels--were not to be found. Last year I found a bag full there for my dinner. Conditions were just a little dry although with the recent rains, they should be sprouting up all over Michigan.

Nordhouse Dunes is a migratory bird trap and I saw 5 rafts of loons and a variety of other waterfowl, 4 pileated woodpeckers, 2 eagles and several different hawks, 7 species of warblers, and a variety of mammals including a beaver and a fisher. Tracking animals in the sand is also great fun in the dunes. There were many stories written in the sand, each morning a different set of stories would appear.

If you like the sound of a big lake lapping the shore and sunsets over an unblemished horizon, beachcombing and a COLD dip in the lake, Nordhouse provides a little wilderness flavor not too far from the madding crowd. P.S. Don't tell anyone.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
Sounds great Hoodoo! I like hearing about other people trips. Sounds like you went at the perfect time too. I hate going camping, and finding the site I like already overrun with people. That's who I'm out there to get AWAY from!
 
Welcome back, HooDoo. Thanks for rubbin' it in!

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I must agree with SGTMIKE, thanks for rubbing it in. While you were lying on the beach, we received 8 inched of snow! Oh well, I'm sure summer (actually, I'll even take spring at this point) will come...some day.

Jimmy the Jet
 
I'm jealous, too!
Glad you like the Busse. My NO's experience is still limited to the back yard
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Dying to get out for a few days, at least...

Summer's hitting down here, and we've got the mosquitoes to prove it! I'm ready for fall, already.
 
Geez, this is a tough crowd! My first vacation in eons and it was only for four days. The spring semester starts on Monday and it's back to the grindstone. BUT, I will be heading to Wisconsin at the end of June to do some field research--more work--but I also will be camping there for 7 weeks next to a lake full of northern pike and I will terrorize you with my tales of "roughing it" in the Wisconsin hinterland.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Hoodoo:
..to do some field research--more work </font>

Now he wants sympathy (maybe this will work) :boohoo:

But then the plot thins:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">--but I also will be camping there for 7 weeks next to a lake full of northern pike and I will terrorize you with my tales of "roughing it" in the Wisconsin hinterland.
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Did I mention I was taking my bass boat?
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Yes, I feel your pain
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Thought I was jealous after the other post...

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Hoodoo, don't listen to us, jelous and outdoor fun-deprived guys!
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Good to read first-hand reports like this spiced up with some survival skills (firebow, tarp shelter), technical info (tarp and cord) , and knife field tests.
I wish I could do things like this frequently but our life turned 100% urban more than a year ago and weekend field trips are rare.
Anyway, I am going to Madison, Wisconsin for a few days in the summer. Do you guys know a nice state park or other place that is worth to visit for a weekend? Thanks for any input.

HM
 
HM,
Well I'm glad someone enjoyed my post.
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Tough crowd, tough crowd. Anyway, I wish I could tell you a good spot to visit around Madison but don't have a clue. When I go to Madison, it's to have fun in Madison.
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It's really my favorite college town. Great coffee shops and used bookstores. Guiness on tap everywhere and great food. Also, while in Madison, check out the Monona Terrace Convention Center. It's brand new but it was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright: http://mononaterrace.visitmadison.com/
Yeah, I know he's dead but he's still kicking.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
Hoodoo,
About how far did you hike and how much did your pack weigh? Can you give me a list of the equipment you took? Also, have you ever been over to the Manistee river trail? I am thinking of going there in a few weeks. Also I have not camped with just a tarp, it sounds like you did fine without a tent, but how is it when the bugs are out?
 
Sesoku, here's a fairly complete list (I'm sure a few small things were left out): a camptrails backpack (external frame), a luxury series thermarest (3/4 length), kool dri rain pants, marmot goretex parka, 2 pr underwear shorts (terramar), 2 thermax t shirts (I think that's the brand--I don't know 'cause I cut the labels out), 2 pair thurlogh (sp?) socks, 1 campmor fleece jacket, tarp + stakes, 1 pot w/lid, 1 stainless steel cup, 1 spoon, 1 homemade stove, 1 msr aluminum foil windshield for the stove, 2 nalgene bottles with one hooked up to a hose and bite valve, wiggys summer sleeping bag, small first aid kit, small survival kit, lots of rope, 1 nalgene fuel bottle with 18 oz of fuel (alcohol), bird book, binos, natural outlaw knife, pulse multitool, 1 packTowl (small), 1 seattle sports water bucket, 1 katadyn water filter, asolo hiking boots, mosquito head net, sportif nylon pants and shirt, sunglasses, 7x5' plastic ground cloth. For food, I had 4 days supply: oatmeal for breakfast, cous cous for lunch, and Liptons rice meals for supper. I had a small container with powdered milk for the oatmeal, another small container of peanut butter (again for the oatmeal--try it--its good
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), some homemade beef jerky, dried apricots, and a small container of clarified butter for cooking. I also had some green tea and hot chocolate.

Most of the clothes I wear (pulse in pocket): the rest of the stuff weighed around 31 lbs. That included a water bottle half full. As for bugs, I use a nylon head net with two metal hoops to keep it off my face when I sleep. MSR makes one with 1 metal hoop that will work just a well, is lighter, and folds up. Raups should carry it but if not, try MC sports. Insects were not a problem this time of year so I didn't need the headnet. The water bucket is great. Just hook a rope to it, pitch it into a lake or stream, and haul it back to camp. The gunk will settle to the bottom and you can filter the water off the top into your water bottle. I used to use those clear plastic reliance jugs but this seattle sports bucket works fantastic.

As for hiking in, the distance was not far. Couldn't have been more than a mile or two. I pitched my camp and then spent the rest of the time exploring, up and down the beach and most of the rest of the trails in the area. There's nowhere you can't hike in there in several hours. That's why I knew every parking lot was empty. I hiked the entire area.

Don't know the Manistee river trail. Sounds interesting though. Good luck on your trip. If you decide to go to Nordhouse, I highly recommend getting a topo map. Most of the trails in there are unmarked. You could get lost pretty easily but not for long.
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I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

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HooDoo,

Didn't mean to seem quite so jealous, just envious. Life's tough on an outdoorsman who has a gf that believes it's only possible to camp out of a cabin or, at worst, a two room cabin tent. Her idea of "roughing it" includes loading all personal possessions, including makeup and blow dryer, into the back of my pickup and hauling them to a well established campsite.

I relish the memories of days gone by when my uncle and I would go to the headwaters of upstate NY's Deer River with a tarp for a tent and homemade millfelt sleeping bags, some rope, a couple canteens, a pot and a cast iron fry pan for camp gear. These were usually accompanied by fishing gear or deer rifles as the seasons dictated.

Sometime soon, however, I'm making a long weekend trek by myself, with gear similar to that of those cherished days on the Deer River. After that, I want to try another weekend with Civil War era gear (or lack thereof.)

Guess your bass boat fits into the same category as my atv ...

Mike

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Hoodoo, can you describe a little more how you rig your tarp. I tried tarps when I first went camping almost 40 years ago, but gave up on them as they didn't seem to hold up so well to wind and rain as a decent mountain tent with rain fly.

Do you carry poles or rely on being able to make them from fallen wood, or conveniently placed trees to hold up your lines? Do you typically set up in "A" frame style or lean-to? I'm planning on a few trips this summer and will consider trying a tarp again since a single tarp, even with a couple of poles, would be considerably lighter than my tent and rain fly. I practiced with an 8x12 foot tarp in my own back yard last summer and could not find a configuration that protected me from three sides and provided a bottom, especially if I wanted to get more than myself into it. How do you do it?

Thanks...
 
Hi matthew,
Most of the time I rig an A frame with one end just high enough for me to sit up in and the other end about high enough I can slip a hiking boot under [at the corners] or maybe a little higher. I use a plastic groundcloth, 5x7 to lie on. If the wind should shift and start blowing rain in the high end, I will rig my parka or poncho, depending on which one I carry, over the open end to block the rain. I've made little vestibules like this to ride out lengthy storms and did all my cooking under the tarp. In terms of going light, this is where the tarp has a decided advantage over a bivy sac or very small 1 man tents (I've used both and personally find them pretty confining, especially during extended rains.)

To hang the A frame I usually run a ridge line from one tree to the next or from a tree to a stake in the ground. On each end a round turn and two half hitches plus a stopper. I use six stakes to stake the tarp, usually pretty close to the ground, but it depends on the weather. I add a line to the center grommet on each end and run it to the tree where the ridge line is hooked (Some guys use only this line and no ridgeline. I like a ridge line to hang stuff from under the tarp.) I tie two loops in these lines a run the line a full turn around the tree and back through the loops, then give it a good pull as I loop it back and tie it to the standing part just adjacent to the bight with two half-hitches and a stopper. This allows me to cinch the rope tight to tension the tarp. My tarp has "ties" across the middle and I use them to run a line on either side to open the tarp up in the middle. If a tree is available I will tie to a tree. Otherwise, I will run the line to a stake and use a forked stick about 3' tall to elevate it. I wrap the guy line once around one of the forks and that holds the line in place. This also works to string the A frame line if no trees are available, such as above treeline. You just have to remember to find a handy stick before you go above tree line. On occasion, I've used my hiking stick.

This all assumes that you are not depending on a fire for warmth.

This may not be the best method in the world but it has worked well for me over the years. If you want to watch the stars or lie by an open fire, then the A frame would not be a great choice.

When using a tarp, you have to choose your campsite fairly carefully although I have used it in wide open spaces with acceptable results. It works better if you have a knowledge of the prevailing winds and can find some natural protection from wind as well. You do have to be a little more careful with a tarp. Once in Glacier Park I got a down sleeping bag soaked by leaning my empty pack against the tarp. It pushed the tarp in far enough that water ran off the tarp and unfortunately onto my ground cloth that was also poking too far out. In the process, my bag got soaked. Unfortunately, I wasn't paying attention since I was sitting in Granite Park Chalet (If you know Glacier, this is a backcountry Chalet. I actually stumbled across it as I was traveling from Waterton Int Nat Park into Glacier) enjoying a slice of apple pie after being on the trail for 2 1/2 weeks and cold to the bone. And that night I slept wet and cold. Since, I've switched to synthetic bags spring fall summer camping.

Don't know if any of this makes any sense. I realize tarps aren't for everyone. I used a NorthFace Tadpole for quite a few years as well as a similar tent by Eureka, both of which tipped the scales at over 4 lbs. My latest tarp is under 1 lb and very sturdy. It works for me. Hope you have good luck with yours.

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I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

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Nordhouse is also cool (pun alert!) to hike in January. I need to get back out there soon to check out the plants in that sandy soil.
 
Thanks Hoodoo. I see how you do it I think. I'd never actually thought of using a tarp for roof and a separate ground cloth. May try that this summer. Where do you find a tarp with ties in the middle, or did you put them there yourself?
 
Hoodoo; I've been reading with great interest about your use of the tarp. You wouldn't happen to know of an illustration for your set up would you.

And is this the tarp you are using?

I'm planning a six day trip to Canyonlands NP, and would like to get out away from the 'improved' campsites with my sons for a couple of nights anyway.

The only tent I have right now is the boys' springbar 12lb. silicon/canvas 2kid tent. The tarp sounds like a good compromise for the price (even at $65) considering the light weather we're expecting.
 
sender, that is the exact tarp I used on this trip. I was very happy with it and actually was surprised it held so well in some pretty heavy winds. I've always used heavier wt tarps but after seeing glowing comments about 1.3 oz silicone impreg tarps, I decided to give it a try. Works for me so far.

matthew, Campmor's tarp comes with tab ties. I still have their versatile 10x10 tarp that I use to use pretty regularly and it comes with 21 ties. I cut most of them off to save weight. That tarp weighs 38 oz., costs $39.99, and ain't a bad tarp for two people.

I don't have any pics I can upload but soon I will have a digital camera (it's in transit as we speak) and I have another trip planned in July. I will upload some pics then. In the meantime, Ray Jardine's book Beyond Backpacking has a pretty good discussion on using tarps. He doesn't use a ridgeline with his tarp but then his tarp is of his own design and wouldn't work with a ridgeline under the tent. Jardine's tarp looks something like the one on the left pictured here:
http://www.golite.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/scstore/scs tore/product_categories/shelters.html?L+scstore+sosk0096+989384108

He sets his up a little differently, though. If that link above doesn't work, go here:
http://www.golite.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/?E+scstore

Then click on products and then shelters. Their tarps are pricey. Their whole line of equipment is modeled after Jardine's ideas.

There was an earlier thread in the forum where there was a discussion on tarps and someone posted a link to a very nice selection of lightweight tarps. Campmor only has the green tarps. I can't find the link but perhaps you can do a search and find it or maybe someone will post the link again.

Also, there's some pretty nifty diagrams in Horace Kephart's Camping and Woodcraft showing how he set up tarp-like tents. That book was originally published in 1917.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

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BTW, I also really like Campmors Backpacker Skewer Stakes. These held really well in sand when I was at Nordhouse, and are lightweight but tough.

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
Thanks for the tarp pointers. Funny, on the campmore tarp, no picture comes up when I click on the link. Tried going through campmore's front door too and then to the tarp, but still no picture.

According to the description, the ties are sewn into the centerline seam only. Does that mean you pitch the tarp with the centerline (I presume the 10' line) going across (perpendicular) to your ridgeline? That would be the only way I could imagine you using the ties to pull out the roof on each side of the ridgeline.
 
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