Just what is the temp of LN??

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My son-in-law to be (better be!) is helping me get LN. He tells me the trucks that transport their's has warning signs that claim it to be around -396 F.. That's a little colder than I thought LN to be. Can anybody tell me there opinion and about what I should expect my blades to cool to in a good dewar (:) I have one now)??

Roger
 
Hi Roger,

Great question... Usually I think of LN in terms of its boiling point, -320.8 F. But sometimes my dewars can sit for a number of days before they begin off-gassing. So they must be delivered to me far colder.

Daniel
 
FACT:

from CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics and other sources.

Nitrogen:

boiling point at atmospheric pressure:
-195.9 C about -320.6 F [temp of liquid until all boils off]

melting point at atmosperic pressure:
-209.9 C about -345.3 F [temp of slush until all becomes liquid]

F = 9/5(C) + 32
..............

OBSERVATION:

Unless in an expanding jet, or contained in an evacuated or pressurized vessel, liquid nitrogen can be expected to be between about -320 F and -345 F.

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OPINION:

-396 F??? no idea where that comes from...

(the mistake of subtracting instead of adding the 32 doesn't provide it)

The only thing I can imagine is that a violently venting/expanding/evaporating stream of liquid nitrogen in a jet might cool to this temperature through the Joule-Thomson effect. This effect is what makes the stream projected from an aerosol can cold. One can produce dry-ice from a room-temperature cylinder of pressurized carbon dioxide using simple implements designed for the purpose. The process "wastes" a lot of gas.


So, unless one pumps l-N2 through a nozzel or something, this low temperature isn't attainable. I imagine it might be some sort of "worst-possible case" safety warning requirement in case of accidents.

If anyone knows where this -396 F number comes from, I'd be interested to hear.

Hope this helps.:)
 
Great.

Without checking behind you, and I won't, I now have a fair idea. Boil at aprox. -321, new at aprox. -345. Good.

Mike Hull: thanks for the link. I have looked at it casually today and will go back to it again shortly.

Thanks guys. I wanted a reliable ball park and I got more specific answers than I asked for with convincing detail. I have learned that within the knife maker crowd there is a lot that know a lot (not me!:)).

Roger
 
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