Just wondering

Piper Maru

Piper Maru

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What is the point of some of the benchmade axis trainer folders. I know what the point of balisong trainers is, but I dont see why one would need a trainer that is a folder. I am sure they have a purpose because they sell but I was wondering what that purpose might be.
 
Hi Piper Maru... I think you´re in the wrong subforum. Maybe you should go to "Practical & Tactical" or "General knife discussion"

Kind regards
 
What's the difference between fixed or folder (or balisong)? They all will still cut yourself and others.

Kinda like asking why one should only do FoF gun training with Airsoft or Simmunitions.
 
I believe they are made available for people who are training in knife fighting or some type of martial arts that incorperates knives. So for someone who is going to carry, say, a Griptilian every day, it makes sense to train with a safe version of that particular knife for size/weight purposes.
 
Yea I guess, I mean I fully understand the purpose of a balisong trainer that makes immediate sense, just I thought the folder trainer was interesting.
 
Because knives are not just tools, reguardless of what people on this site will say, sharp objects are first and formost weapons, and you don't want to hurt yourself during training.
 
It's unfortunate that people like you think this way. Knives are NOT first and foremost weapons. Just because they are marketed as such, they should never be used as weapons, and in all likelihood there will never be a situation where you need to use yours as one.
What creates a "weapon" is walking around thinking that your Cold Steel Ti-Lite is a shank, waiting to go to use on the next person who bothers you on the street.
Even if you're in law enforcement or military, there will really be very few situations (if any at all) where one would require an edge tool to kill or defend with. It's just stupid.
Change your attitude.
 
My point is for a trainer folder, what are you training, how to flip the knife out. If its spring assisted then their is no learning curve, generally. If it is manual, then learning how to flick the knife out properly might help, but other then in a few case I dont know where a trainer would come in. I might buy one for novelty, but it terms of functionality at least a balisong trainer can actually teach you something. I think a live blade still might be the best way to go, but just saying. I am not saying the trainer folder is useless it is just a odd concept.
 
Ok. Maybe more clarification is necessary. You don't train to try and figure out how to open the knife. That's not the point. Knife fighting only works when the knife is open. So if you're going to wield a knife in training, then it might as well be a safe one with no tip or edge. In this case, a trainer balisong is different than a trainer for say, a griptilian. There aren't really any "tricks" to be learned with a griptilian, and you don't need a trainer blade to learn how to open it. But if you practice some weapons-based martial arts, then you would probably want a trainer. Logically...
 
frenchmade said:
It's unfortunate that people like you think this way. Knives are NOT first and foremost weapons. Just because they are marketed as such, they should never be used as weapons, and in all likelihood there will never be a situation where you need to use yours as one.
What creates a "weapon" is walking around thinking that your Cold Steel Ti-Lite is a shank, waiting to go to use on the next person who bothers you on the street.
Even if you're in law enforcement or military, there will really be very few situations (if any at all) where one would require an edge tool to kill or defend with. It's just stupid.
Change your attitude.
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Riiiiighhhhhht lol no thanks. Blades have always been mans earliest weapon. Go ask someone who got nearly beat to death in one of those "very few situations" if they wish they had been carrying a knife that day. You don't have to call me stupid, no one is going to take away your knife rights because I called them weapons.
 
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Tim616 said:
Riiiiighhhhhht lol no thanks. Blades have always been mans earliest weapon. Go ask someone who got nearly beat to death in one of those "very few situations" if they wish they had been carrying a knife that day. You don't have to call me stupid, no one is going to take away your knife rights because I called them weapons.
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You're right. Because early Homosapiens used stone tools to skin animals, we should now think of all of our knives as weapons. What else would you like to bring back from the stone age?
What a weak argument.
And yes, the more people that are stabbed to death, the more likely it is that some conservative know-it-all politician will pass a bill that says you don't get to carry a knife. Which is why attitudes much change? Do you pay attention to anything? It doesn't take a lot of time to do a little research. It would help your perspective a bit too.
 
frenchmade said:
You're right. Because early Homosapiens used stone tools to skin animals, we should now think of all of our knives as weapons. What else would you like to bring back from the stone age?
What a weak argument.
And yes, the more people that are stabbed to death, the more likely it is that some conservative know-it-all politician will pass a bill that says you don't get to carry a knife. Which is why attitudes much change? Do you pay attention to anything? It doesn't take a lot of time to do a little research. It would help your perspective a bit too.
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Sorry to offend you. But knives are still weapons, they can be tools when a knife is needed, but it's always the weapon.
It's not a bad thing, knives and guns are good, the bad guys aren't gonna call it a tool just because a good guy do; remeber that. I'm one good guy that knows it ain't just for openin boxes if the fit hits the shan.
 
Well thanks for your contribution. I'm sure we can all learn something from you. And that's not sarcasm, I really do hope that you stand to be an example here on bladeforums.
 
I did not think about a trainer folder and sparring that makes sense.

Also on the whole weapon thing, almost anything can be a weapon. Some things take more creativity I guess, but I always considered a knife to be a tool first. I mean a lamp is a light source, if I hit someone with it is then a weapon. Although a lamp has a practical purpose, a light source. A knife is a tool designed to be helpful, if I attack someone it is a weapon. A gun for the most part is always a weapon, just not a "always active weapon". Unless you are extremely skilled you wont be opening letters with a gun. A gun generally has one purpose, to protect the wielder. Machetes and other large knives fall into that gun category where it loses some of its practicality.

I generally carry a knife, but as I ma not really a fighter, I would not say I carry it so much for defense as I do practical use. Also, know matter what situation your in, you need the ware with all to actually make a decision on what to do. So a knife is what you make of it.
 
I certainly carry my knife to open things or cut string, paper, cardboard, sometimes to pry up a staple. So sometimes it's a screwdriver blade, and yes, it could break the tip if I'm not careful. But I don't carry a screwdriver around.
It can be a defensive weapon if necessary, but that would worry me a lot. Of course, I can't run (anymore), and the guy who comes after me with a knife probably knows how to use it a lot better than it do...unless he's a box.
Sonny
 
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