KA-BAR2217 and KA-BAR 1222, got different advantages?

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xuli0009

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I am making a choice from them.

Taking in to account that the purpose of survival, self-defendence and wooden tool, KA-BAR Big Brother 2217 and KA-BAR USMC Next Generation 1222, which one is more qualified? Which one is more durabe? which material is harder? which material is more fantastic in rust-resistent?

Thanks so much for suggestion
And please delete my repeated Thread because of internet speed and clicking too many times.

2217

made from 1095 carbon steel
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1222

made from 440A
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The Big Brother is a HUGE knife. Very large, very heavy. 440 is going to be much more resistant to rust, but 1095 is regarded as a good steel for outdoors work. Strong, easy to sharpen. It's been around the block more than once. To me, the Big Brother is almost a novelty in how large and heavy it is, but I'm sure others would disagree. The next gen is going to be a better size for general duty. I would look at the standard KA-BAR USMC in 1095. Best of both worlds, if you ask me.
 
^^^ This, IMO you are looking for a F/U Kraton, the big bro is flippin' HUGE and the Next Gen steel leaves a lot to be desired.
 
Yep, what others have said.

Personally, while I like large knives, I don't think I would find the Big Brother very useful. For what I do, the serrations on the back would get in the way when battoning, and with no lanyard hole or anything like that, I really wouldn't be chopping with it much (safety concerns).

If I remember correctly, it was made at the request of some phillipino troops or something like that.

The next generation is fine I guess, but I would trust 1095 a lot more than 440a, but 1095 will rust on if you if you do not take care of it. That said, I have no experience with kabars 440a.

If I were you, I would be looking for the next gen extreme if I were worried about rust (Its D2, so pretty close to stainless), or the normal fighting utility knife if you are willing to take care of it.

You also might look into the Becker BK7, as it does great as a survival knife.
 
ocnLogan said:
Yep, what others have said.

Personally, while I like large knives, I don't think I would find the Big Brother very useful. For what I do, the serrations on the back would get in the way when battoning, and with no lanyard hole or anything like that, I really wouldn't be chopping with it much (safety concerns).

If I remember correctly, it was made at the request of some phillipino troops or something like that.

The next generation is fine I guess, but I would trust 1095 a lot more than 440a, but 1095 will rust on if you if you do not take care of it. That said, I have no experience with kabars 440a.

If I were you, I would be looking for the next gen extreme if I were worried about rust (Its D2, so pretty close to stainless), or the normal fighting utility knife if you are willing to take care of it.

You also might look into the Becker BK7, as it does great as a survival knife.
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Do you think so D2 is chip although there is advantage of HRC
 
xuli0009 said:
Do you think so D2 is chip although there is advantage of HRC
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I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly you are asking here. Sorry about that.

I would choose D2 over 440a any day, and every time. I've heard nothing but good about the Extreme and its D2, although I have no experience with it.

Hopefully that helps clear things up for you.
 
@Xuly0009, you might find this interesting and I quote:

" Please note that 440A and 440B are similar alloys, often confused with 440C, but not worth a damn for knife making use. Commercial knife companies often mark blades 440 when they're one of the less desirable versions, giving the real stuff a bad name. 440C is also available in more sizes and in more places than just about any stainless alloy suitable for knives. "

About D2: "D2 is sometimes called a "semi-stainless". It has a fairly high chrome content (12%), but not high enough to classify it as stainless. It is more stain resistant than the carbon steels mentioned above, however. It has excellent wear resistance. D2 is much tougher than the premium stainless steels like ATS-34, but not as tough as many of the other non-stainless steels. The combination of great wear resistance, almost-stainlessness, and good toughness make it a great choice for a number of knife styles. "

Regarding 1095 Cro Van:
"1095 are the ultimate in simplicity and very shallow hardening so they may be used to make a selectively hardened edge as one sees on old Japanese swords. Toughness is outstanding, with these alloys being used for grader blade edges, truck springs and files. Uses up grinding belts at quite a rapid rate. Edges are acceptable with 1045, good with 1060, nice with 1084, and excellent with 1095."

I personally am in love with the Big Brother, used it outdoors, indoors and it doesn't seems to be so "huge" once you handle it a while. You can do every task a small knife can do and even more.
I hope this help you decide
 
lot of good points here. personally i'm in the camp that the big brother is too big and the next gen's 440a is hard to justify for increased price over classic 1095 fighting/utility. i have both a leather handled/sheath and kraton handled/kydex and they perform as expected with proper care and expectations of materials.

Have you looked at the model 1271 8" fighter
http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/10
to me its more eye pleasing than the big brother as the blade isn't so wide and offcenter of the the handle. i'd imagine it also offer better balance because of this. again preference i'm not huge on the serrations but there's plenty of blade aft of them.
 
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