Kansai bait rig for a survival kit.

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Holierthanthou

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Although it conumes a bit more space than the usual gear in a survival fishing kit, I have found something called a Kansai bait rig to be a great fish getter. It comes from Japanese style fishing and consists of a tiny little basket( today sold made of plastic) suspended from the fishing line, you stuff a little fish eggs or other chum/bait into the tiny basket. Branching off from the main line are a bunch of little secondary lines with hooks on them that are also baited with grubs or worms, so the end result is you have a chum basket down on the bottom with all together about 6 different hooks in the water at the same time, anyone have any reaction to this?
 
Hi Holierthanthou, I dont know if we are talking about same thing but i use a small lead weight that has 6 hooks around it. I put the bait on the weight ( it has a spring around it to hold the bait in place) and leave the hooks empty. It works great for Carp and Cat fish too. But i get it from a korean store lol .


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Its called a Swim Feeder and Brits have been using them from 1 billion years BC. You yanks think fishing means trolling, when us real fishemen know it to be float fishing with a 13' Carbon rod and a Willow basket. :D
 
Spent a week at Lake argyle in 01 with a 13' rod, the locals looked at me like I was nuts :) I got some lovely stuff though, can you guess what the bait was?
 
I like that Ill give the raw beef a try, and sasha that korean rig sounds a little different but very close, thanks.
 
Honest, I asked some guys by the lake the first day we arrived, they said beef, I thought, yeah right.

I asked again at the camp area and was told the same thing. Weird, but it works great.
 
I think the rigs you are talking about make good sense, and temper might have a point about other cultures teaching us something a little more effective. If I really want to eat I think I would rather have one of those british, korean, japanese rigs in my kit.
 
The theory for the swim feeder is to put it about 18 inches higher than the baited hook. When you cast into a river the bait in the swim feeder (a swim is the area you are fishing in, or more specifically the targeted area where you have cast, assuning of course you are ledgering or float fishing) be it maggots and groundbait (a mix of all sorts of sectret ingredients from bread crumbs to amino acid drops to peppery cooking oils) will get distributed to an area around the baited hook and thus act as an attractor. They are also used like the Korean (although I have seen them here too) to transport the groundbait to the swim as lobbing it or usung a catapult may be difficult. They are sometimes used a weight to get the hook very far out but allowing the baited hook to be un weighted and thus allow for a more natural movement of the bait in the water as opposed to being anchored to the bottom of the pond/lake/river.
 
Temper that is a great post, no kidding around, you have established yourself as the authority on this one. I cant wait to get out and try some of this!
 
Glad I could help :) Fishing has been a passion of mine since I was a little kid. Fingers crossed, we have a potential move to the mountains soon and there are 3 decent fishing ponds nearby that are known only to locals...Oh be still my beating heart :)
 
Over hear in japan I sometimes see guys using a really strange trick by my eyes. They dont look like novices and thier gear looks expensive. They are throwing out a lure far out into a river, fishing for japanese Ayu , and once the lure hits the water, they yank on the pole like they want to snap it in two, then they take up the slack and do it again, Im not just talking briskly but they throw their whole weight into it, thats not how I learned how to use a lure, the fish cant catch the lure at those speeds right? I saw you online temper and I thought you might know, anyone else have any idea why these guys are doing this?
 
Holierthanthou said:
Over hear in japan I sometimes see guys using a really strange trick by my eyes. They dont look like novices and thier gear looks expensive. They are throwing out a lure far out into a river, fishing for japanese Ayu , and once the lure hits the water, they yank on the pole like they want to snap it in two, then they take up the slack and do it again, Im not just talking briskly but they throw their whole weight into it, thats not how I learned how to use a lure, the fish cant catch the lure at those speeds right? I saw you online temper and I thought you might know, anyone else have any idea why these guys are doing this?
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No, the only fishing I have seen is 400 guys around a puddle with about $500,000 worth of tackle. :D

I have seen Hirabuna fishing, well if that doesnt bore you to death, watching paint dry will give you an adrenaline rush lol.
 
Im living in Japan studying martial arts, you guys can guess how Im making my living. Anyway I want to get into squid fishing. Any of you guys have experience with that? My hope is to catch one of those crazy flying squid they got off the coast of Alaska the other day. You see the big black eyes on that thing?
 
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